Only SF would pull this stunt!

MossRoad · Jun 26, 2002

Re: Only SF would pull this!

God bless America. (Oops! I hear sirens...) 

In all seriousness, I would never get offended by someone praying for me or my country. Its always better to have someone wishing you well instead of the other way around. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

MossRoad · Jun 26, 2002

For what its worth, here's a part of the reasoning behind one of the judges.

"A profession that we are a nation `under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation `under Jesus,' a nation `under Vishnu,' a nation `under Zeus,' or a nation `under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.

wasabi · Jun 26, 2002

Re: Only SF would pull this!

With their track record of fires and earthquakes, SF better not piss off God. I think she may already have enough to be mad about if she wants reasons! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Keep government out of religion... I respectfully submit that this is not a matter of religion as our gov and culture is tolerant of diversity, (as we should be)....rather, IMHO, this falls in the "spiritual" category. I think our founding forefathers referenced God (or god) in good faith in the founding of this fine country. Who are we to mess with their architecture when "it ain't broke"? Frankly, I think the casualness of our world's relations with our maker is at the root of most of the problems we face, from rude citizens (and non-citizens) etc.

I don't wish to attract arrows for these sentiments and, as MossRoad expressed appropriately, ultimately wish all well.

 So, how are the PT repairs going? Quite well, thank you Charlie. ( and thanks for returning the focus to tractoring) After the long. but otherwise uneventful haul from Illinois, and three hours tenative operating, I noticed serious leakage on the road when I looked back. I essentially spent the next four days of ownership (and half of my allotted vacation mountain time) up to my shoulders in a snake's nest of hydro hoses....finally slaying the proverbial dragon just in time to pull "Crusty" into the barn before leaving. It wasn't the first hose, wasn't the biggest one, wasn't the shortest one (and hardest one to put back on), it was the one underneath all of that!! Patched it all back together, gave it 15 gallons of oil /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif and have since scraped a mile and half driveway, moved dirt, rock, gravel and piled junk, etc.

Gotta say, the PT 2445 is everything I imagined it would be and more. I'm thrilled! It does everything I ask it to do, without complaint! I've got a few minor issues such as the auger I ordered not fitting the collet sp?, but haven't met a limit yet, tho it bogs a little if I put the treadle too far down when going up soime of my hills. (steep they are)

TedLynn · Jun 26, 2002

Our Constution guarantees our Freedom of Religon. It does not guarantee "Freedom FROM Religon". This is another bad judicial decision by a quirky court. It's really sad to see this great nation being flushed down the sewer! The response by the President and almost all members of Government has been great. Ted

wasabi · Jun 26, 2002

Concur!

wroughtn_harv · Jun 26, 2002

I respectfully disagree.

I think we should consider the fact that this great nation was founded by folks that understood that any one version of christianity in control of the government was bad for everyone.

All they knew was christianity. But they did know that no one particular version of christianity should get a stranglehold on politics. They knew this because everywhere they had seen this happen it had been a bad thing. It didn't matter if it was in Spain, France, England. You could have a universal god. You just couldn't have a religion god.

Today we aren't just christians. We have all kinds of faiths in all, any, and none gods. But just like it was bad to have one version of a christian god it is also bad to have one version of any god.

So the same principles that inspired our very wise and sophisticated forefathers is pertinent and appropriate today as evidenced by our wise judicial system.

As for just what the forefathers meant by some of their statements we do have to keep in mind they preached all men equal while giving some men no rights just because of the color of their skin.

A persons relationship with their god is a personal one. It is not unlike one's relationship with one's spouse. To insist that their spouse is the only perfect spouse would make them a fools pair a dice don't you agree? It'd make you wonder just who they were trying to convince and why.

wasabi · Jun 26, 2002

Your disagreeance with my concurance is perplexing. /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif

I assume we are talking about the same, one and only God, (Goddess, All that is, the one we call Great Spirit...the "In the Here and Now" type of God), as interpreted by each individual according to his or her own beliefs, right?

MossRoad · Jun 26, 2002

So far this thread is staying pretty civil. I'm proud to be part of this community /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

billboe · Jun 27, 2002

Re: Only SF would pull this!

I think our founding forefathers referenced God (or god) in good faith in the founding of this fine country. Who are we to mess with their architecture when "it ain't broke"?

Not sure if this is what you are referring to, but, our "founding forefathers" didn't have anything to do with the "under God" reference in the pledge of allegiance... That reference was added in 1954 (if my memory has the details correct) by the congress...

Personally, I'm with the keep it separate crowd!