OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES

   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #81  
Frosty2,

Forgot to tell ya, ROPS is Roll Over Protective Structure (roll bar). All new tractor have it. Alot of the old ones don't.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #82  
Thanks for the answer.A little debate will not scare me off.Matter of fact debate is healthy and as long as it's fair might even enlighten my thinking...
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #83  
Another semi-noobie needs some hints: I've not used a box blade before, but I'm thinking about renting one to recondition our access road, about a mile of badly potholed gravel and hardpack, with some large puddle areas that need refilling. The driveway video on Wilsonoutdoors.com looks like a freeway compared to our road! I notice in that video the scarifier blades aren't touching/working at all, just the back blades. For my situation, in order to cut out the potholes, I assume I'll need to use the scarifier? And if so, should I make multiple passes taking it down a little at a time, or go for a deeper cut? The tractor is a JD790, if that affects the process. Thanks for any hints.....
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #84  
the teeth should be adjustable...and tipping the bb forward using the toplink will lower the front of the bb also lowering the scarifier teeth....it will also cause the front blade to dig in...
Tilting the bb back will obviously do the oppposite but will also make it easier to smooth out the final topping...

since you've not used a bb don't expect "perfect" finishses right off...there is nothing wrong with a little bit of shovel and rake work to clean up edges etc...

in my little experience the weight of the bb has a lot to do with how effective it is....I have found that going very slow and allowing the blade to dig in to get started rather than a faster motion that tends to cause it to skip up over larger stones etc and lose its bite...

good luck, have fun...(it's a little more work than you would think)
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #85  
Another semi-noobie needs some hints: I've not used a box blade before, but I'm thinking about renting one to recondition our access road, about a mile of badly potholed gravel and hardpack, with some large puddle areas that need refilling. The driveway video on Wilsonoutdoors.com looks like a freeway compared to our road! I notice in that video the scarifier blades aren't touching/working at all, just the back blades. For my situation, in order to cut out the potholes, I assume I'll need to use the scarifier? And if so, should I make multiple passes taking it down a little at a time, or go for a deeper cut? The tractor is a JD790, if that affects the process. Thanks for any hints.....

If you have a road to maintain.. I'd buy the BB vs renting it.

soundguy
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #86  
Something I learned from my now long departed grandfather (he was a operating engineer (cherrypickers were his specialty)). If I don't see you, acknowledge you, and indicate you should come to me while I am running equipment, I do not know you are there...

A simple concept lost on some, but very valuable when it comes to telling others what to expect when around you when working with equipment.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #87  
If I don't see you, acknowledge you, and indicate you should come to me while I am running equipment, I do not know you are there...

that's great advice and it applies to small equipment as well as larger machinery...

a lot of fingers have been lost to table saw operators that were distracted by unknowing, unexpected spectators (helpers)...
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #88  
Don't check hydraulic hoses for leaks by feeling with your hand.
Use a piece of wood, something other than your hands. Hydraulic lines under pressure will cause an injection wound.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #89  
Something I learned from my now long departed grandfather (he was a operating engineer (cherrypickers were his specialty)). If I don't see you, acknowledge you, and indicate you should come to me while I am running equipment, I do not know you are there...

A simple concept lost on some, but very valuable when it comes to telling others what to expect when around you when working with equipment.

Amen. Especially the part about "A simple concept lost on some".

Part of my "job description" with the general contractor I've worked for during the past 40 years is PART-TIME SUBSTITUTE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. Or unwritten words to that effect. When I go on a job and there's new people I'm not familiar with who'll be working around me, I ALWAYS give 'em a little pep talk before I fire up the equipment I'll be running. ALWAYS.

3 years ago, I was sent out to a job to fill in for an excavator operator who had to go home because of a sick child. There was this one guy that IMMEDIATELY stuck out in my mind as a potential danger. I made certain he understood to stay out of the way and to keep making eye contact with me. PAY ATTENTION.

We were digging a footer for a new building. About 4' deep, 24" wide, and 400' long. Wide open hogging dirt..... This new guy is "crumbing" the bottom of the ditch. He's staying back 10' or more all the time. About 1/2-way through the dig, I hit "something solid". (Ended up being an old abandon sewer encased in concrete....wasn't supposed to be there.) The forman on the job said bust it out.... OK.... I raised the bucket about 5' or 6' above the old pipe and paused. I was going to drop the bucket on the old clay pipe bust 'er out! Just a second to look things over....hand on the lever......And just as I was starting to drop the boom, this guy jumps forward to have a little look-see himself. He stepped right UNDER the bucket. Lucky for him and me both, I saw him start to step up and I let off the lever. Bucket stopped INCHES from an unsuspecting head. Would have AT LEAST killed him.....

I hit the kill switch, unloaded, and had a long talk with the FORMAN, who then had a talk with the guy in the ditch. He didn't see what all the excitement was about.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #90  
l always wear seatbelt and the ROPS have never been lowered. I turn on the 4 ways when im on the driveway/road and always drive strait up and down inclines. I keep the loader as low as I can since I am usually hauling something. To keep my implements alive, I leave them raised when I park the tractor since my dad isnt used to having implements on the tractor. I greese every point I know of on the tractor and skidsteer every once in a while when im boored. I even drain the water from the skidsteer then pump the fuel into the machine 322 times (My arm hurts after that) and walk compleatly around the machine before starting it. I love to fuel the equippment up before opperation for more seat time:D and know my surroundings when on a job. ECT! I even watch safety videos on the computer and ask ALL questions on this forum!
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES
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#91  
Backhoe newbies, When your working in muddy soil try and use the teeth to break up the material and allow it to fall into the bucket. When you dive in and pull the bucket to you this will pack the bucket full and prevent it from coming out when you dump. I usually go about 3/4 full when im working in wet or clay soils, this really helps prevent mudd sticking in your bucket
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #92  
CAUTION: may not be suitable etc, etc:

Things I've seen many years ago that will remain vivid in my mind the rest of my life are the simple things like: When parking your machine for the night, lower all hydraulics to the ground,...or if not practical, then block or "chain" them up! I could generalize, or tell you of many situations, but "one" specific incident should help you "remember" how important the practice "could" be.

A D-8 dozer operator on a construction site (back in the 1950's) parked the machine for the night, left the blade in the "up" position, climbed down and went home. A while later some of the local kids came by and began climbing on, under and around the machine having a wonderful carefree laughing time. An 8 year old boy was crawling forward on hands and knees coming out from underneath just as his young brother up on the operator's seat, innocently pulled the lever that immediately dropped the blade and chopped his brother in half!

Yes I know that is sickening,...."IT'S MEANT TO BE"!!! Remember it, especially if you have young kids or neighbours that could easily be "your" victims!!

With or without "people",..Hydraulics are NEVER to be trusted, NEVER! That includes leaving your loader up, (with or without bucket), forks etc as well as mid-mount and rear mower or ballast box etc and yes, I see dump trucks parked over night with the box "up". They drift down or drop as well. Put a block or proper metal bracket under it. And yes, Ive seen grown men crushed under them also. (Almost happened to me!)

IMPORTANT: Don't "ever" go under a raised hydraulic, even for just a quick second,...without FIRST placing a block, jack stand, piece of timber or some such safety device under it!!! If you knew what "dainty" little rubbers etc hold hydraulics up, you'd "never" trust them. (If you knew what actually "stops" your vehicle, you'd likely never drive again!!) Believe it or not, I DON'T enjoy dicussing this subject,....I've been involved one way or another with "equipment" all my life, and as previously stated, things I've seen will stay with me, "day and night" for life,... therefor, if making you sick or scaring you,...saves your life, one of your kid's, a nephew, a neighbour or even a stranger or one of the kids at "your" kid's birthday party,....then scaring you was well worth this sickening post.

NEWBIES: For heaven sake,....take this seriously! Sure its always a pain to go find something to block with, and tempting to think: "just this once and I'll be careful"............BANG!!...your dead!!

TOWING: I was ten years old operating an old 8-N about to pull a dump truck out of the mud with the tractor tow-bar. Yes the front end started to climb up enroute to a back flip when "somehow" my "instincts" caused me to jump on the clutch and down she came with a bang! That still sticks with me as an important lesson well learned early in life! BUT, the tractor was not up to the job.

Listen: if you chain the front of your tractor to a solid brick house and back up,...you'll likely bury the back wheels or pull the front end apart. If you turn around and chain it properly to the tow bar,...you still won't pull the house across the yard. BUT,...providing it doesn't stall,...the tractor is built to drive the back wheels,..and one way or another it will succeed!!

Remember,...it will "TRY" to do its job. So "IF" the wheels won't turn,..the tractor WILL !! The tractor will climb the wheels and flip over backwards!!
The idea is to match the tractor to the load,...and occasionally that means using common sense. Try it, .."easy", be ready for the worst and plan the best way to abort, BEFORE its tooooo late!

Okay boys I have plenty more but as usual, I've rambled far too long, so with sincere thanks for reading and hopefully learning,....I'll take my leave,
CHEERS and best wishes for safe operating,
. . tug
 
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   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #93  
CAUTION: may not be suitable etc, etc:

Things I've seen many years ago that will remain vivid in my mind the rest of my life are the simple things like: When parking your machine for the night, lower all hydraulics to the ground,...or if not practical, then block or "chain" them up! I could generalize, or tell you of many situations, but "one" specific incident should help you "remember" how important the practice "could" be.

A D-8 dozer operator on a construction site (back in the 1950's) parked the machine for the night, left the blade in the "up" position, climbed down and went home. A while later some of the local kids came by and began climbing on, under and around the machine having a wonderful carefree laughing time. An 8 year old boy was crawling forward on hands and knees coming out from underneath just as his young brother up on the operator's seat, innocently pulled the lever that immediately dropped the blade and chopped his brother in half!

Yes I know that is sickening,...."IT'S MEANT TO BE"!!! Remember it, especially if you have young kids or neighbours that could easily be "your" victims!!

With or without "people",..Hydraulics are NEVER to be trusted, NEVER! That includes leaving your loader up, (with or without bucket), forks etc as well as mid-mount and rear mower or ballast box etc and yes, I see dump trucks parked over night with the box "up". They drift down or drop as well. Put a block or proper metal bracket under it. And yes, Ive seen grown men crushed under them also. (Almost happened to me!)

IMPORTANT: Don't "ever" go under a raised hydraulic, even for just a quick second,...without FIRST placing a block, jack stand, piece of timber or some such safety device under it!!! If you knew what "dainty" little rubbers etc hold hydraulics up, you'd "never" trust them. (If you knew what actually "stops" your vehicle, you'd likely never drive again!!) Believe it or not, I DON'T enjoy dicussing this subject,....I've been involved one way or another with "equipment" all my life, and as previously stated, things I've seen will stay with me, "day and night" for life,... therefor, if making you sick or scaring you,...saves your life, one of your kid's, a nephew, a neighbour or even a stranger or one of the kids at "your" kid's birthday party,....then scaring you was well worth this sickening post.

NEWBIES: For heaven sake,....take this seriously! Sure its always a pain to go find something to block with, and tempting to think: "just this once and I'll be careful"............BANG!!...your dead!!

TOWING: I was ten years old operating an old 8-N about to pull a dump truck out of the mud with the tractor tow-bar. Yes the front end started to climb up enroute to a back flip when "somehow" my "instincts" caused me to jump on the clutch and down she came with a bang! That still sticks with me as an important lesson well learned early in life! BUT, the tractor was not up to the job.

Listen: if you chain the front of your tractor to a solid brick house and back up,...you'll likely bury the back wheels or pull the front end apart. If you turn around and chain it properly to the tow bar,...you still won't pull the house across the yard. BUT,...providing it doesn't stall,...the tractor is built to drive the back wheels,..and one way or another it will succeed!!

Remember,...it will "TRY" to do its job. So "IF" the wheels won't turn,..the tractor WILL !! The tractor will climb the wheels and flip over backwards!!
The idea is to match the tractor to the load,...and occasionally that means using common sense. Try it, .."easy", be ready for the worst and plan the best way to abort, BEFORE its tooooo late!

Okay boys I have plenty more but as usual, I've rambled far too long, so with sincere thanks for reading and hopefully learning,....I'll take my leave,
CHEERS and best wishes for safe operating,
. . tug

Good thread & Great post Tug & not Just for newbies . Thanks all for taking the time. Bob
 
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   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #94  
Has anyone mentioned being aware of the height of your ROPS? It's real easy to take out a garage door or get caught on a low hanging limb. It's not really important how I learned this.:eek:
John
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #95  
Great thread! Thanks to all for all the tips/advice. Being a newbie, I know there is so much to remember. Like releasing the parking brake :eek:.

Since there's been so much discussion about towing/pulling, thought I'd add another wrinkle: What about towing/pulling from a 3-pt. trailer hitch adapter? It's a steel triangle that connects to all 3 points of the 3-pt hitch and accepts a standard pick-up 2"x 2" hitch-ball mount. Couldn't manage to paste an image here, but you can see it here:Installation for Flexpoint Tractor Hitch Mind, I'm talking about the standard, NOT the one with the ball on top designed for goosenecks.

If you keep the 3-pt. lowered so that you're pulling below the axle, think there would be any trouble?
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #96  
For pulling always try to keep the point of attachment below the axles and you should be ok. Keep in mind that it's still possible to flip the tractor though, so use caution.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #97  
Colby: since you are a newbie, I will (with the greatest respect),simply send you back up to my 4th para up from the bottom of my above post. First word; TOWING: read from there down carefully and take note of the part about: "the tractor not being up to the job" and the other part about "matching the tractor to the load etc".

If you are using the hitch you describe, you are likely about to tow some sort of trailer or item with wheels. Providing the weight is distributed properly and the towed item is not "Toooo big or heavy for the tractor",...then "IF" that is "what the hitch was designed to do",......Great, hop to it ! My caution once again is to examine the "job",...plan your options for aborting the tow IF, it doesn't feel right,...then go "slow and easy" till you see if it's safe.

Remember Colby,...no matter what item, (or idea) you are about to "attach" to the front or rear of your tractor,...you just "MAY" be attaching something that could "injure you severely",...(or worse)..and not "just" you!!

It seems today that more and more people have the scratch to purchase things like tractors and then learn by experimentation. Many of these folk wind up in the hospital because they could "afford" to buy something they had no idea about. KEEP IN MIND: a tractor is a wonderful thing to have and it can save you (and your back) so much work while actually being a lot of great fun!

BUT, please never forget: A tractor (or simple lawn mower) are most definitely NOT "toys"!! They will "hurt" you and even "kill" you. Keep this in mind if you ever think they're easy to drive and your young kid would love to cut the lawn or drive the tractor. Sure he's careful and I'll get some photos of him behind the wheel,..ha, ha! NEVER, NEVER !! Dangerous enough for "you" !!

You guys must be sick and tired of my lectures,...but just remember, I'm likely much older than many of you and I have "been there, done that"...and "seen" the terrible results of folk who think these things are "toys"! PLEASE......
BE CAREFUL out there!!
. . tug
 
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   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #98  
Hello Dan,......Just want to say "THANK YOU" to you and your good wife for the idea for this great thread. An excellent idea for the "Newbie" sure,...but "all" of us can use a "tune-up" occasionally. Where else can you get such great tips than right from guys and gals who have had the experience and are good enough to share it.

It often means more to get a tip, lesson or hint from someone who learned it from experience. Perhaps a shortcut to a smoother back-grading job with your bucket,...or what to do when you suspect a roll-over happening. To some of us with experience,..some tips or questions sound simple or silly,.... until we "remember" when "we" learned it and found it SO helpful. My years have taught me "no" question is silly,....if you "want" to know the answer.

My apologies for lengthy posts, but I've tried to share my experience along with others who have contributed some extremely important tips for various aspects of tractor operation

Thanks again Dan,
. . tug
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #99  
48. If you need to leave your tractor seat for a minute or two while bushhogging, Disengage the PTO, put your tractor in neutral and apply the parking brake before leaving the tractor seat.

I would add to wait for the bushhog blade to stop before you get off the tractor.

Also add to be sure and double check your gear selection whenever getting on/off/starting/around obstacles..tractors are never quite as simple and mundane as getting in an out of a passenger vehicle....more than once I have found myself with the PTO engaged when I thought it wasn't, no harm no foul; just basically PAY CLOSE ATTENTION due to multiple freedoms of motion.
 
   / OPERATIONAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES #100  
<snip>

If you keep the 3-pt. lowered so that you're pulling below the axle, think there would be any trouble?
Tugboat's reply was wordy.

The answer is YES.

When you exceed the physics that control your weight distribution your tractor should flip over backwards.
 

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