Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...?????

[dave1949]

Common core pushes the math- the majority won't meet the standard due to the bell curve of ability. Somehow the public remains unaware of this, along with the gov administrators. A back story to this is that the heritage society and other similar groups are foisting unrealistic expectations onto public education in order to "splinter" it, opening doors to privatization and capitalistic opportunity. There is a good deal of money being disbursed for public services and the private sector would dearly love to open the floodgates.
Common Core State Standards for ELA
Mathematics
common core ---- the same across the country for the most part
good guidelines, but as standards - not so good

That is so true. It's an outright money grab and stream of public funding for education is wide and deep. It ought to be called the Heritage Destruction Foundation, or the Koch Bros. Enrichment Society. It isn't what it is selling itself to be to the public.

 

[toppop52]

Toppop; Is it possible for your wife to tell the late shows, that "Your appointment time was at _________, and since you missed it, you will need to reschedule"? It's certainly what I would do, unless it would cost me a job. Of course, there are those that think me less than nice, at times.

She just contracts with Maryland for a couple of days a week. The state "suggests" you try to see them anyway since they are high risk, poor performing patients. In other words they're promiscuous ****** that wouldn't work in a pie factory and refuse to conform to norms. The state however feels it must coddle them. Wife gets paid either way, but it gets discouraging to see the direction these people are going with full faith and assistance from Maryland.

 

[JohninCT]

That is so true. It's an outright money grab and stream of public funding for education is wide and deep. It ought to be called the Heritage Destruction Foundation, or the Koch Bros. Enrichment Society. It isn't what it is selling itself to be to the public.

This sure sounds like a valuable resource that the public school bureaucracy needs to defend.

 

[schoolsout]

I noticed that one of focuses on Common Core was improved mathematics, and apparently a sea change shift from teaching the tried and true progression of mathematics, including those parts that have minimal social impact on those we most worry about, (trig? algebra?) to one based on useful application. Now I don't want to rile up any math teachers here, but I don't think I've used a cosine in the last 63 years.
Math was taught like a foreign language, and to me at least, it was. I had to be tutored in high school to get through some of it; but let me write an essay, and I'd get an A. 2x(5+4Z) just isn't going to help me getting my toast right in the morning...

Nor will it help the young man in front of me at the 7-11 last week who looked at a handful of change in his hand so long the store clerk had to suggest what went together to make 83 cents... Ok, he might have been "developmentally challenged" but I'm just using this as an example.
How is the kid ever going to balance a checkbook? How will his generation? Well, at least they can type. But I wonder how many of them
have zero idea what a QWERTY keyboard is? No wonder we are all LOL...not.

I don't think that's a valid argument. Just because one doesn't use knowledge learned earlier in life doesn't mean they shouldn't learn it. It is learning the basics and higher levels of our understanding of things that propels us further into the future. If everyone just stopped learning because their job (and you never know where you are heading in life) won't require it, we will have a very hard time advancing further in society.

You see it now...people can't even do basic things and our society is failing because of it.

 

[schoolsout]

Common core pushes the math- the majority won't meet the standard due to the bell curve of ability. Somehow the public remains unaware of this, along with the gov administrators. A back story to this is that the heritage society and other similar groups are foisting unrealistic expectations onto public education in order to "splinter" it, opening doors to privatization and capitalistic opportunity. There is a good deal of money being disbursed for public services and the private sector would dearly love to open the floodgates.
Common Core State Standards for ELA
Mathematics
common core ---- the same across the country for the most part
good guidelines, but as standards - not so good

more "central planning," so to say. It is basically taking away the ability of the states to teach as they see fit by holding hostage money. The Fed takes from the states and then holds them hostage in order to get it back.

There is no way one can argue for this or any other similar plan.

 

[dave1949]

This sure sounds like a valuable resource that the public school bureaucracy needs to defend.

Do I hear a tongue in your cheek? :laughing:

The stream is probably too wide and too deep, but like Willie Sutton said when asked why he robbed banks: because that's where the money is.

The premise that privatizing education will reduce costs is bunk. They want the same $$$ per student as the public school is spending right out of the gate. Their learning results are proving to be as uneven as those achieved by public schools, if not lower.

You can cherry pick schools that have much better results, but they are not constituted by equivalent public school communities. They result from effectively cherry picking students via their motivated parents.

I agree that those motivated families should not be forced to suffer a poor education system due to the prevalent attitudes in their community. That is one thing in favor of a voucher system. That said, the school you are "vouchering away" from should first be identified as a failing school by some fair process.

There is no secret to having good schools public or private. They result from communities that demand them, have the necessary local control to bring that about, and care that their children are getting a good education. We can throw money at school communities where that is not the case, but it is only marginally effective IMO.

 

[daugen]

I don't think that's a valid argument. Just because one doesn't use knowledge learned earlier in life doesn't mean they shouldn't learn it. It is learning the basics and higher levels of our understanding of things that propels us further into the future. If everyone just stopped learning because their job (and you never know where you are heading in life) won't require it, we will have a very hard time advancing further in society.

You see it now...people can't even do basic things and our society is failing because of it.

Intellectually I totally agree with you. Realistically, I don't. We need for folk to be good at something vs. useless and dependent about everything. I am referring to urban schools here and the nonperformers And yes my three years of Latin in my rinky dink high school really does help me with the occasional cross word puzzle, but
trigonometry? First they need to know how to spell it... Yes, for an academic curriculum, learning what this math is and how it applies to real life would of course be helpful. I just think we have too many overeducated folk out of jobs who would have been happier learning how to build homes, do plumbing, electrical work and masonry.

I think an non-academic student who studies hard and gets B's on course work is going to be a lot more motivated long term than his buddy who gets D's and F's because he can't understand the "old math". I say that with a little humor, because I grew up dealing with the "new math".
How do numbers get old?....

I think there is too much emphasis on college and not enough on personal fulfillment and successful achievement.
And I may sound hypocritical because I was fortunate enough to have parents able to send me to an Ivy League School.
You know, I would have been very happy being an electrician or plumber. Now I have to pay a hundred bucks an hour for someone to come out...

And I never made a hundred dollars an hour!

 

[schoolsout]

Intellectually I totally agree with you. Realistically, I don't. We need for folk to be good at something vs. useless and dependent about everything. I am referring to urban schools here and the nonperformers And yes my three years of Latin in my rinky dink high school really does help me with the occasional cross word puzzle, but
trigonometry? First they need to know how to spell it... Yes, for an academic curriculum, learning what this math is and how it applies to real life would of course be helpful. I just think we have too many overeducated folk out of jobs who would have been happier learning how to build homes, do plumbing, electrical work and masonry.

I think an non-academic student who studies hard and gets B's on course work is going to be a lot more motivated long term than his buddy who gets D's and F's because he can't understand the "old math". I say that with a little humor, because I grew up dealing with the "new math".
How do numbers get old?....

I think there is too much emphasis on college and not enough on personal fulfillment and successful achievement.
And I may sound hypocritical because I was fortunate enough to have parents able to send me to an Ivy League School.
You know, I would have been very happy being an electrician or plumber. Now I have to pay a hundred bucks an hour for someone to come out...

And I never made a hundred dollars an hour!

I agree with the college part. Not everyone is cut out for it, but everyone should at least understand basic math/science/English/literature/etc before leaving high school. After that, some sort of vocational/technical school may be better than a 4 yr college.

Ivy League, eh? I bet you're sittin' in a leather chair sippin' some fine scotch and smokin' a fancy cigar right now...

 

[daugen]

Ivy League, eh? I bet you're sittin' in a leather chair sippin' some fine scotch and smokin' a fancy cigar right now...

I think I want some of what you are smoking...
My Dad loved cigars, would puff away for hours in the garden, which is where he went every weekend afternoon.
Those cigars did him in, laryngeal cancer, so nope, no cigarettes or cigars here. And one cold beer occasionally is my limit.
Mother was an alcoholic and that killed her. See the lessons of life?... I'd be an idiot not to pay attention.

And my leather chair is some beat to crap Staples import, likely Chinese, that is going to drop me on my butt one of these days.

Sorry, wrong guy...:confused3:

no silver platter here, we were land rich and cash poor. Like many of you who grew up on a farm.

Here's the rub. No chance for me to grow up and be a farmer. Had to retire to do that.
Sometimes you have to wait for the good things.

 

[toppop52]

If everyone just stopped learning because their job (and you never know where you are heading in life) won't require it, we will have a very hard time advancing further in society.

I stopped learning about 10 years ago when I realized I already knew everything!