Spreader Painting wasteoil on manure spreaders

[exeter_acres]

I might have to agree with Hazmat...
Just my opinion with no proof.
There is an awful lot that we did in the past that was and is pretty harmful to the environment.
Lets see.. DDT won't hurt anything.... Smoking is healthy...Aerosol spray cans are fine... and hey, this nuclear waste and these nuclear tests won't do anything.. etc, etc,

I'm sure the motor oil works great. And I do agree that very little would get out in the fields, but what is an acceptable amount of pollutant to dump?

The old adage, if all our friends jumped off a bridge... no wait! I would follow!

But you know what I mean. In todays age there must be better alternatives. I'm sure that a few years down the road we will discover that the polyurethane coating is horrible too, heck, I think water causes cancer now days, but I think we should use what we believe to be safe.

Thanks
Treehuggin' Curtis

 

[Soundguy]

As you said, it is a -treatment- for a situation that has already occoured. Oiling the maneuer spreader is still -causing- the problem.

An oil or grease made to be released into the environment would be a better choice.... as mentioned, some bar oils, and all food grade greases.

Soundguy

<font color=blue>"As far as manure contamination goes, it won't matter. A common treatment for soil contaminated with fuel oils and heavier oils is to till woodchips and pig manure into the area. In less than 60 days, the manure will biodegrade the oil completely."

 

[cowboydoc]

This stuff about putting oil on a manure spreader is just plain ridiculous. Does anyone have any study whatsoever about the effect of oil contaminating the soil that has been used as a preserver? I oiled my spreader in May and haven't used it yet as I mostly use the little one. I took a white rag and scrubbed as hard as I could on the wood. It got a little dirty but not much at all. I smelled it and I couldn't smell oil at all... If I can't even get a negligible amount of oil on a clean rag how is it ever going to make a bit of difference to the environment?

Don't get me wrong I am very conscious of the environment but it's this little stuff like this that doesn't mean anything that the tree huggers have fits over. A PERFECT example of this are the wildfires in CO. One of the main reasons those fires are raging out of control is that ever since Clinton closed the forests, roads, etc. there was no forestry management. Now what makes more sense let 100k plus acres just burn up or let a logging company go in and clear it out and plant new trees? Some of this env. wacko stuff is just plain ridiculous.

 

[MikePA]

How would putting used motor oil on a manure spreader deck be any different than using tung oil as a finish on a cabinet or a table? Tung oil both seals and waterproofs the wood. (Tung oil was used to waterproof Chinese ships as long ago as the 14th century.) While used motor oil might not smell as nice, it still performs the same function, preserve and waterproof, no?

 

[beenthere]

<font color=blue>This stuff about putting oil on a manure spreader is just plain ridiculous.<font color=black>

I agree 100 % with that comment. And those that don't want to put their used oil on their spreader, DON"T. But please don't impune those who do.

Those of us who don't think there is any harm (like a tear drop in the ocean will raise the salt level 'a bit') to using used motor oil, carry on. I for one, will not be scared of my shadow. And I won't tell someone else how to run their lives.

It would be interesting to follow some of these 'anti used-oil' folks around and see what and how they pollute (or don't pollute!) this 'fragile environment' hype. There are more serious problems to ponder, such as a society of people who don't mind blowing themselves up, as long as they can do the same to other people. Our children's future is pretty bleak if we don't get some solutions to what is happening now.

 

[Soundguy]

<font color=blue>This stuff about putting oil on a manure spreader is just plain ridiculous

<font color=black>Yes it is, especially when there are environmentally safe ways to preserve / lubricate it.

<font color=blue>Does anyone have any study whatsoever about the effect of oil contaminating the soil that has been used as a preserver

<font color=black>First, it shouldn't have to take a study to be able to observe that an object contaminated with a migrating material that comes into contact with another object will, over time, contaminate the second object.
For those 'show-me' people, hit the DEP, and DOA website and search for info on arsenic based pressure treated wood. Point in case of a preservative migrating and contaminating sourounding areas.
While you are at it, look up superfund, along those search lines, you should be able to see the long term effects of petro chemicals on the environment.

<font color=blue>If I can't even get a negligible amount of oil on a clean rag how is it ever going to make a bit of difference to the environment?

<font color=black>I believe your rag-rubbing expirement lacked sufficient time to develop an accurate conclusion.
Perhaps try it again with a sheet of notebook paper.
That negligible amount you refer to can over time ( a big factor ) leach into the environment.
Think about lead based paints.... there are many avenues of contamination.
For added excitement research leaded crystal decanters for use in holding wines and other alcohols. It is advised not to store the alcohol in the decanters for long periods of time, as lead leaching will result. But I'll bet if you run a rag over the decanter there will be no detectable amount of lead on the cloth.

As little as 4 ccl of fuel oil can contaminate up to 2000 gallons of fresh water.

I'm not preaching, I'm not a tree-hugger, or an eco-terrorist. But in my line of work, I get to see first hand the effects of petro chemical contamination in the environment.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

<font color=blue>How would putting used motor oil on a manure spreader deck be any different than using tung oil as a finish on a cabinet or a table?

<font color=black>For one, a manure spreader is designed to come into contact with material that will be dispersed into the environment. One the other hand, I have never seen a cabinet or table being towed around by a tractor.../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif but it would be quite a site!

<font color=blue>Tung oil both seals and waterproofs the wood. (Tung oil was used to waterproof Chinese ships as long ago as the 14th century.)

<font color=black>I'm not specifically familiar with tung oil properties and environmental impact, but I do not dispute the fact that wood treated with used motor oil would be sealed or preserved... probably does a very good job of it... few flora or fauna tolerate those combinations of chemicals, and it will shed moisture.
As for what was done inthe 14th century... well.. we used to burn people at the stake as well... before we found out a few things.. and different ways to do things.

<font color=blue>While used motor oil might not smell as nice, it still performs the same function, preserve and waterproof, no?

<font color=black>No argument there.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

<font color=red>This stuff about putting oil on a manure spreader is just plain ridiculous.
<font color=blue>I agree 100 % with that comment. And those that don't want to put their used oil on their spreader, DON"T. But please don't impune those who do.

<font color=black>Sorry if they were taken that way, but I was think more in the terms of offering a few suggestions for alternate ways of accomplishing the same goals with less environmental impact.

<font color=blue>Those of us who don't think there is any harm (like a tear drop in the ocean will raise the salt level 'a bit') to using used motor oil, carry on. I for one, will not be scared of my shadow. And I won't tell someone else how to run their lives.

<font color=black>Those of you that think that there is -no- harm in contaminating the environment are mistaken; those that think that the level of contamination is negligible enough to be ignored... may be right.. who knows. As someone else pointed out, there havn't been any specific studies done on this exact subject, that I know of.
It is a personal comfort level and moral compass issue. If your ok with actions which -may- impact the environment... trudge on. Pollution exists as a fact of life. Nearly everything we do uses energy creates waste, etc, etc.
It's a big trade off... just have to find the right place on the teeter-totter where you feel ok sitting.
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I'm not trying to get anyones goat... just expressing my opinion.... and you know what they say about opinions.../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Soundguy

<font color=red>It would be interesting to follow some of these 'anti used-oil' folks around and see what and how they pollute (or don't pollute!) this 'fragile environment' hype. There are more

<font color=black>Now I didn't lowball your comments as 'hype' .


<font color=blue>serious problems to ponder, such as a society of people who don't mind blowing themselves up, as long as they can do the same to other people.

<font color=black>True, there are other larger more immediate problems. But if you completely ignore the small problems, when your children have children, our small ignored problems will the their big problems.

<font color=blue> Our children's future is pretty bleak if we don't get some solutions to what is happening now.

<font color=black> Exactly.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I expect to receive mucho hate mail over my expressed opinions.

Anyone who wishes to flame me may send them to my personal email address... that way you can really take the gloves off on me, and not worry about semi-off topic posts here on tbi.

Soundguy

 

[Ozarker]

Tung Oil isn't a petroleum product. It is pressed from the nut of the tung tree. It also hasn't been used as a motor oil so it isn't full of metal bits and other contaminants from the engine.