Nobody has impuned anyone that I can see. Just suggested a better, safer and cleaner way to do the same job. A way that probably would cost any more that the current method and will probably produce a much more pleasant result.
Spreader Painting wasteoil on manure spreaders
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Thanks for the info on tung oil.. I wasn't aware of it's properties or origin, and so couldn't comment on it.
Seems to me that I have used tung oil on a few of my gun stocks.. or was that linseed oil? hmm..
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<font color=blue>"Tung Oil isn't a petroleum product. It is pressed from the nut of the tung tree. It also hasn't been used as a motor oil so it isn't full of metal bits and other contaminants from the engine. "
Seems to me that I have used tung oil on a few of my gun stocks.. or was that linseed oil? hmm..
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<font color=blue>"Tung Oil isn't a petroleum product. It is pressed from the nut of the tung tree. It also hasn't been used as a motor oil so it isn't full of metal bits and other contaminants from the engine. "
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I have a 16 foot flatbed and in our Texas heat I couldn't keep anything on it--paint, Thompson's Water Seal (BIG waste of money), etc. My blacksmith friend suggested using waste oil, so I took some used 10W-30 Mobil 1, thinned it down a little with diesel fuel, and painted it on with a big brush. Boy, did it soak in! I gave it four coats before it stopped disappearing. Then I wiped off the excess and let the trailer sit some before using. Using a brush eliminated any runoff. The trailer bed has stood up well now for a couple of years. I plan to coat it periodically. When I used my trailer to help haul books for a book sale, I did have to stand and listen to an old geezer lecture me about the risks of cancer, but I couldn't help thinking of mechanics who spent most of their lives working with oil and grease and still live to ripe old ages. He was right, of course, in theory, but for as often as I use my trailer, the risk is minimal. I really don't think that using my trailer is hazardous to the environment.
When I started this thread, I didn't expect it to be so controversial!!
I have a background in environmental chemistry, and there are many toxic contaminents in waste oil. My main concern was whether or not the oil would be absorbed by the manure, and spread to the ground. I think there would be a small amount of absorbtion, but I wasn't sure.
Granted this probably would not be a major source of pollution, but I would prefer to contaminate my land as little as possible. I am an environmentalist, and always have been, and always will be. If you want to call me a tree hugger, I can live with that.
I have a lot of respect for the views of follow TBN'ers. I was especially interested in what Richard (Cowboydoc) felt about the issue. Richard has been a good friend to me for quite a while, and I have huge respect for his opinions. His background as a physician, rancher and farmer are quite unique, and in my opinion, extremely valuable. The fact that he finds no problem in the waste oil practice makes me feel much better about it, but I am still trying to find the MOST environmentally friendly manner of preserving the wood deck of an expensive piece of farm equipment.
I am still leaning on painting it with marine polyurethane. Polyurethane dries to an extremely hard texture, and is very stable chemically. If some does scrape off, it will not break down in the field. Still, I'm hoping someone has some kind of fantastic method to preserve the manure spreaders that we will all agree on!/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
I have a background in environmental chemistry, and there are many toxic contaminents in waste oil. My main concern was whether or not the oil would be absorbed by the manure, and spread to the ground. I think there would be a small amount of absorbtion, but I wasn't sure.
Granted this probably would not be a major source of pollution, but I would prefer to contaminate my land as little as possible. I am an environmentalist, and always have been, and always will be. If you want to call me a tree hugger, I can live with that.
I have a lot of respect for the views of follow TBN'ers. I was especially interested in what Richard (Cowboydoc) felt about the issue. Richard has been a good friend to me for quite a while, and I have huge respect for his opinions. His background as a physician, rancher and farmer are quite unique, and in my opinion, extremely valuable. The fact that he finds no problem in the waste oil practice makes me feel much better about it, but I am still trying to find the MOST environmentally friendly manner of preserving the wood deck of an expensive piece of farm equipment.
I am still leaning on painting it with marine polyurethane. Polyurethane dries to an extremely hard texture, and is very stable chemically. If some does scrape off, it will not break down in the field. Still, I'm hoping someone has some kind of fantastic method to preserve the manure spreaders that we will all agree on!/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
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<font color=blue>but I am still trying to find the MOST environmentally friendly manner of preserving the wood deck of an expensive piece of farm equipment.</font color=blue>
You should look at FDA approved plastic sheeting or stainless steel for the "bed" of the trailor. Also to lubricate FDA approved grease/oil.
Not the cheapest way out, but one of the more environmentally friendly.
If you keep the polyurethane out of the sun when not in use, it should last a long time.
You should look at FDA approved plastic sheeting or stainless steel for the "bed" of the trailor. Also to lubricate FDA approved grease/oil.
Not the cheapest way out, but one of the more environmentally friendly.
If you keep the polyurethane out of the sun when not in use, it should last a long time.
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I am pretty sure they are still using kerosene to mix with chemicals as a carrier. I dont know the advantage to it over water.
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Chances are, that an asphalt fence paint would have worked nearly as well, and had less environmental impact. At 16 bucks per 5 gallons, it isn't too bad a deal.
<font color=red>I have a 16 foot flatbed and in our Texas heat I couldn't keep anything on it--paint, Thompson's Water Seal (BIG waste of money), etc. My blacksmith friend suggested using waste oil, so I took some used 10W-30 Mobil 1, thinned it down a little with diesel fuel, and painted it on with a big brush. Boy, did it soak in! I gave it four coats before it stopped disappearing. Then I wiped off the excess and let the trailer sit some before using. Using a brush eliminated any runoff. The trailer bed has stood up well now for a couple of years. I plan to coat it periodically. When I used my trailer to help haul books for a book sale, I did have to stand and listen to an old geezer lecture me about the risks of cancer, but I couldn't help thinking of mechanics who spent most of their lives working with oil and grease and still live to ripe old ages. He was right, of course, in theory, but for as often as I use
<font color=black>If the trailer is left out in the rain, I can almost guarantee that runnoff will contain trace amounts of petro contaminants. Between the leeching and runoff, I would imagine that if you tested the soil under the trailer, there would be detectable amounts of contaminants.
<font color=red>my trailer, the risk is minimal. I really don't think that using my trailer is hazardous to the environment.
<font color=red>I have a 16 foot flatbed and in our Texas heat I couldn't keep anything on it--paint, Thompson's Water Seal (BIG waste of money), etc. My blacksmith friend suggested using waste oil, so I took some used 10W-30 Mobil 1, thinned it down a little with diesel fuel, and painted it on with a big brush. Boy, did it soak in! I gave it four coats before it stopped disappearing. Then I wiped off the excess and let the trailer sit some before using. Using a brush eliminated any runoff. The trailer bed has stood up well now for a couple of years. I plan to coat it periodically. When I used my trailer to help haul books for a book sale, I did have to stand and listen to an old geezer lecture me about the risks of cancer, but I couldn't help thinking of mechanics who spent most of their lives working with oil and grease and still live to ripe old ages. He was right, of course, in theory, but for as often as I use
<font color=black>If the trailer is left out in the rain, I can almost guarantee that runnoff will contain trace amounts of petro contaminants. Between the leeching and runoff, I would imagine that if you tested the soil under the trailer, there would be detectable amounts of contaminants.
<font color=red>my trailer, the risk is minimal. I really don't think that using my trailer is hazardous to the environment.
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Has anyone tried the ruberized undercoating paint like vehicles use? Or a similar product used to coat pickup truck beds?
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<font color=red>"Still, I'm hoping someone has some kind of fantastic method to preserve the manure spreaders that we will all
agree on!"
<font color=black>I won't comment on any medical advice, but will point out that while the oil itself is of concern, the materials contaminating the used oil, are of even more concern.
FDA states that repeated contact with used motor oil is associated with a higher risk of cancer, and most states now classify waste oil products as hazardous waste. Just something to think about. Until we find another planet to live on.. we might as well try to keep this one going as long as possible...
<font color=red>"The fact that he finds no problem in the waste oil practice makes me feel much better about it, but I am still trying to find the MOST environmentally friendly manner of preserving the wood deck of "
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<font color=red>"Still, I'm hoping someone has some kind of fantastic method to preserve the manure spreaders that we will all
agree on!"
<font color=black>I won't comment on any medical advice, but will point out that while the oil itself is of concern, the materials contaminating the used oil, are of even more concern.
FDA states that repeated contact with used motor oil is associated with a higher risk of cancer, and most states now classify waste oil products as hazardous waste. Just something to think about. Until we find another planet to live on.. we might as well try to keep this one going as long as possible...
<font color=red>"The fact that he finds no problem in the waste oil practice makes me feel much better about it, but I am still trying to find the MOST environmentally friendly manner of preserving the wood deck of "
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Copper napthalate is another idea for wood treatment. It is intended as a soak for fence posts, but I guess a brush on application would endow some protective properties to the wood. Again, this material once cured is approved for ground contact. ( Of course, so is pt for consumer use... go figure ).
As a side benefit... a wonderful green color will remain for a long long time.../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
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As a side benefit... a wonderful green color will remain for a long long time.../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
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