I ordered the system after hearing everybody talk it up and I have mixed feelings on it so far. Out of the three implements I use the most - box blade, tiller, shredder - it only works on the tiller. The rectangular guard on top of the easy change hits the braces on both my shredder and box blade. I can trim the braces with the torch and make it work on all of them but from what I read I thought these worked on darn near everything. I really would have prefered a true quick hitch but I did not want to have to modify my implements but it looks like I get to anyway.
Pats easy change problems
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Can you show some pictures of the problem you're having? I just don't get why you can't use it. I have no problem whatsoever getting on everything I own. Tiller, boom pole, disc bedder, boxblade, landscape rake, brush mower, should I go on?
Maybe a picture will help me help you. I just can't imagine the problem as described.
John
Maybe a picture will help me help you. I just can't imagine the problem as described.
John
normde2001
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This is the first time anyone has mentioned this type of problem, pictures would certainly help. Would reversing your pins to point the opposite direction help?
B7500
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Same here on just one of my implements. My backhoe. Unfortunatly it can't fit the way it is manufactured.
It will work on my other toys however but I use my BH all the time so I ended up not using it.
Anyone want it cheap?
-Terry
It will work on my other toys however but I use my BH all the time so I ended up not using it.
Anyone want it cheap?
-Terry
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I've used it without any problems or modificaitons on 2 different brands of box blades, 2 different brands of landscape rakes, 1 rotary cutter, 1 rear finish mower, 1 PHD, 1 carry all/3pt sprayer, 1 seeder, 1 JD planter, 2 different brands of back blade, 1 sub-soiler/middle buster, 1 tiller. I did have to modify a Weight Box to get it to work!
So since I did have to modify the weight box, I can see that it might not be totally universal, but I really think pictures would be very helpful.
So since I did have to modify the weight box, I can see that it might not be totally universal, but I really think pictures would be very helpful.
I will try to take a picture tomorrow. Reversing the pins would solve that problem, but then the lift arm sway bars would be too wide and would rub my tires. My box blade and shredder have the pins pointing inward and came that way from the factory. I only have about 1" between the sway bars and tires.
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There's something wrong with this picture. I have never heard of pins pointing inward from the factory. I suspect these implements are much too big for your tractor and your dealer pointed the pins inward to get them to work.
Indydirtfarmer
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There's something wrong with this picture. I have never heard of pins pointing inward from the factory. I suspect these implements are much too big for your tractor and your dealer pointed the pins inward to get them to work. )</font>
Older Massey Ferguson sickel bar mowers had the lower link pins pointed inward. SOME models of Woods mowers have outward pins for CAT II, and inward pointed pins for CAT I hook-up. Although rare, there are a few more cases where the lower link pins point in.....
Older Massey Ferguson sickel bar mowers had the lower link pins pointed inward. SOME models of Woods mowers have outward pins for CAT II, and inward pointed pins for CAT I hook-up. Although rare, there are a few more cases where the lower link pins point in.....
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I am beginning to wonder is the lower lift arms aren't on backward or reversed. If you could get a picture, maybe we could help.
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Are your pins welded on to the implements? Many of the manufacturers ship the implements that have the threaded pins with lock washers and nuts, turned inward to protect them from damage during shipping, then the owner turns them outward before initial use. I assume you already know this, but just in case...
I've used my Pat's system on my landscape rake, rear blade, and tiller, and thank myself every time I switch rear implements for being smart enough to buy the links and make my life easier. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I've used my Pat's system on my landscape rake, rear blade, and tiller, and thank myself every time I switch rear implements for being smart enough to buy the links and make my life easier. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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" but then the lift arm sway bars would be too wide and would rub my tires. My box blade and shredder have the pins pointing inward and came that way from the factory. I only have about 1" between the sway bars and tires."
Sure would like to see a picture of that. That ain't right.
Sure would like to see a picture of that. That ain't right.
Sorry still no pics yet but the pins are just bolted in. I got the implements from the dealer I got them from and he had already torqued all the bolts including the pins and even had the shredder hooked up when I took delivery. If you are not using the easychange system to me it really does not matter if the pins point in or out it seems just as easy to hook up either way.
My implements are the right size. 6' shredder, 7' box blade, both are cat 1 and so is my tractor. One thing I notice is my rear tires are very close together on my tractor. They are adjustable but if I widened them then my FEL would not cover my tracks when back dragging. As far as I can tell everything is correct with the lift arms and their orientation on my tractor.
My implements are the right size. 6' shredder, 7' box blade, both are cat 1 and so is my tractor. One thing I notice is my rear tires are very close together on my tractor. They are adjustable but if I widened them then my FEL would not cover my tracks when back dragging. As far as I can tell everything is correct with the lift arms and their orientation on my tractor.
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Pins 'in' or pins 'out' should not matter with Pat's system. I've used it both ways with a PHD. It simply should make no difference.
Also, my tiller and both box blades have pins that are captured on both side so there is no 'in' or 'out' facing pin, it is enclosed in a 3 sided steel sleeve and the Pat's works equally well with those implements.
Do you have the Pat's on upside down? Were the lower arms installed backwards, reversed, etc? Honestly, I'm at a loss.
Also, my tiller and both box blades have pins that are captured on both side so there is no 'in' or 'out' facing pin, it is enclosed in a 3 sided steel sleeve and the Pat's works equally well with those implements.
Do you have the Pat's on upside down? Were the lower arms installed backwards, reversed, etc? Honestly, I'm at a loss.
The pictures don't show it well but right now there is about 1-1.5" clearance between the tires and the turnbuckles on the sway bars on each side. The box blade is slighty wider and the problem is worse. There is about 3/4" clearance when all connected up. If I tighten up the sway bars the implement stays in place and I have never had any rubbing issues but I don't think it would work with the pins facing out as it would be too wide.
Indydirtfarmer
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Let's cut to the chase here. CAT I 3-point lower link arms should be 26-1/2" apart.How far apart are they in that photo? I'd say that the problem stems from the tire/wheels being set narrow.
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I ran into a very similar problem on my father in laws NH 30 hp tractor.
His main problem were the 3PH lift arms were installed backwards, we also swapped the rear wheels from side to side to get a wider track and more clearance for the lift arms.
If it were me, I would set the rear tires for enough of a wider track to get sufficent clearance to put the pins facing out on the implements. Once you do that, the quick hitch has a much better chance of working correctly.
You also get a wider stance in case you have any slopes to work on.
I set the rear wheels on my Kubota to the widest position, I even think it improved the ride, but that may be wishful thinking, haha.
I also would set the pins on the implements to point out, that is how they are designed to work, I would be concerned using normal sized implements like you have with the pins facing in, the narrower width on the lift arms would seem to me to make them more unstable side to side...but maybe thats just my imagination again.
His main problem were the 3PH lift arms were installed backwards, we also swapped the rear wheels from side to side to get a wider track and more clearance for the lift arms.
If it were me, I would set the rear tires for enough of a wider track to get sufficent clearance to put the pins facing out on the implements. Once you do that, the quick hitch has a much better chance of working correctly.
You also get a wider stance in case you have any slopes to work on.
I set the rear wheels on my Kubota to the widest position, I even think it improved the ride, but that may be wishful thinking, haha.
I also would set the pins on the implements to point out, that is how they are designed to work, I would be concerned using normal sized implements like you have with the pins facing in, the narrower width on the lift arms would seem to me to make them more unstable side to side...but maybe thats just my imagination again.
