Dirt Moving PHD on front

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woody

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I have a b-26 Kubota with a quick connect bucket and I was wanting to put my auger in the front so I would not have to look behind me so much (neck problems). I know I would have to add a valve and hoses to the front with connectors and I have figured away to mount my auger to the front so it would be easy on and off. can I mount a hydralic motor where the PTO drive connects and run the auger?
 
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I suppose so, but you'd need a tank of approriate size and a decent filter, and you would have to match the motor size to your PTO HP. I would post this question in the Hydraulics forum for greater discussion. Sounds interesting.
 
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thanks David
 
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anymore ideas
 
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Are your tires loaded? I'd be concerned if that auger got a good bite and torqued down on the front, especially if mounted like the woods to the bucket side....

I'd rather see it suspended in the middle, and still would be worried if it got a good bite...

Especially in clay or rocky ground...

We retrofitted one on to the tip of a 10 T crane on a 40 ft steel barge...At times whether mud, clay or dense soil, I could roll that puppy right over, I can image a B26 being pulled down by its nose.... The 3 point mount is much more vertical with less horizontal vector...

just a thought...
 
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thanks FireFighter, yes my tires are loaded the good thing is I can reverse it if I need to. but I had not thought about it being that strong.
 
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thanks FireFighter, yes my tires are loaded the good thing is I can reverse it if I need to. but I had not thought about it being that strong.

I could be way off base, but seems probable in dense ground... good luck...
 
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I don't believe you have enough flow to adequate run a hydraulic PHD. I have used 9 and 12" auger on CUTs with 8-10 gpm and even that turns an auger slowly and at 2500 psi. Could still stop the auger in moderate digging. Using a Bobcat 15 PHD on my Toolcat which runs at 21 gpm and 3000 psi, I have more than enough speed but even then it can stop a 9-12" bit. I also have a Bobcat 30 PHD and that will drill through most ground, even with big bits but I also have hi-flow on the TC and can push 27 gpm to keep up the rpms.

You can buy hydraulic PHDs to turn a higher rpms, but low flow and higher auger speeds will result in poor torque and performace. You will get much better performance from a pto driven PHD, than a hydraulic PHD.
 
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You definitely want to run a hydraulic auger tied straight into the tractor hydro. Changing from mechanical torque to hydraulic, back to mechanical torque again taxes efficiency. The same thing happens with a PTO driven 3ph backhoe. A rear PHD operates on a line of direct drive. If you want to operate a hydraulically driven front unit, it's best to tie straight into the tractor hydro than to convert energy from one form to another then back again. You just lose too much of it in the transformation.

That being said, Radman is correct in that you do have to have enough flow. Yours is not a typical CUT, however; it is a commercial tractor and though I do not know for certain, likely has a heavy duty pump that's able to do the job.

As already stated, hydro models can be reversed if stuck, direct drive 3ph models can't. On a 3ph PTO model, you need to lift the auger frequently to clear the spoils. With front hydro models, some people take the FEL bucket off and use an adaptive mount in the center.

One good thing about the front mount PHD is that you can use the FEL arms for downpressure if digging in hardpan. With a 3ph PHD, you'd need to add a downpressure kit for that, or weight the top of the gooseneck with ballast, which is what I did with mine. If you were to do a lot of digging as part of a commercial business, I would recommend using a Pengo auger and having a carbide tip on hand for those times when you have to drill in hardpan.
 
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Tom H.
Thanks for the reply, the specs on my B26 is 11.2 gpm and I have come up with a way to mount it to the middle of my bucket and if that does not work I have have a quick connect bucket so I can remove the bucket if I have to. so I need to figure out what hyd. motor I will need and get the part number for the remote to put on the tractor. thanks again
 
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The local Kubota Dealer said he had set up b26's with a backhoe mounted Hydraulic Post Hole Digger for a local landscape company...

Made it easier to reach hard to get to places and the thumb hydraulics were used to power the auger.
 
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had not thought of that, that is why I like this site. great idea got me to thinking now. yea I know I'm going to have a headache
 
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Ultrarunner

Good point about the PHD on the hoe. A hydraulic PHD mounted in the middle does not let you see the tip when setting it down. I still think 11 gpm is marginal to run a hydraulic PHD. What is the hydraulic psi of a B26?
 
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Radman1, the psi is 2250 to 2400. I like the idea of putting it on the backhoe since that would save dollars and I would not have to add a new valve.
 

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