Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice

   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #11  
Henro,

You've gotten some good advise, and I just wanted to second Bird's mention of your public utilities commission. I've had a problem or two when I resorted to contacting the MS Public Service commissioners and had immediate response. They are probably your closest link in this sort of thing and generally want to help their constituents. You might find less red tape and a more sympathetic ear than at the federal level to start with...
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #12  
I switched from one long distance carrier to another and within a month, I was slammed back onto the original one. I just refused to pay the bill until they could provide proof that I had made the request to be put back with the original carrier. They couldn't provide the proof, so I never paid the bill. They threatened court action and I said... "see you in court".... I deal with reasonable people reasonably and unreasonable people not at all! They have no incentive to be reasonable, so they just won't be. You have to be just as stubborn. As long as he pays the basic charges on the bill, he can leave the long distance charges in dispute forever. At some time in the future, someone will be reasonable and make a settlement. Until then, time is on your side.... sit back and have a beer..... Besides, I like seeing you being frustrated...... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Payback...... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( At some time in the future, someone will be reasonable and make a settlement. ) )</font>

You would think so. But at least with ATT it probably never will happen. There is a SYSTEM, utterly devoid of human reason, let alone courtesy or compassion.

We got into a horrific dispute with ATT about ten years ago, over a bill that we did not owe. We had been an 800 number customer for more than 10 years, and in that time paid them at least $10,000 in fees. We finally changed providers to save money. ATT claimed we had to pay for a full additional year due to a "contract." It was one of the idiotic bogus deals. We also demanded that they provide a copy of the “contract”. They never could. But they go after you anyway.

Without going into the mind-numbing details, suffice it to say that we called and wrote and wrote and called --- for FIVE YEARS. We could not get it resolved. Virtually every contact, verbal or written, was to a different person in another office, in another state, and ultimately, in other COUNTRIES!

Finally, just by happenstance, we became good friends with a couple from New Jersey, who -- lo and behold -- worked for ATT. In fact, believe it not, the lady's actual JOB, was the SUPERVISOR of resolving customer complaints! Naturally, we related our tale of woe. She dutifully took down all of the details and confidently told us that she would "get it taken care of."

Almost nine months later, she too, GAVE UP.

But wait, the story is not quite over. I went to Wabash College, which it happens is also where a man by the name of Robert Allen attended. At the time of my problems, he was the President and CEO of ATT. He was serving as President of the College Board of Trustees. Due to some work I did on college committees, I had his personal home and office phone and fax numbers. Tee hee!

Just for the HECK of it, I called his personal office number and got his assistant. I related my collegiate relationship with her boss, and asked her help. She was very apologetic, and warm, and promised she would indeed get things moving to solve this terrible breach of common sense. I never heard from her or her boss again.

It is an almost mystical corruption of the human mind that business ethics are so demolished that situations like can even exist. Yet, as we all know, these kinds of tales have become commonplace.

But, there is no one to force them to do otherwise.

The only consolation I got out of it was that I NEVER paid almost $900. I didn’t owe it, so I of course felt no guilt.

At that time, ATT did not (or were not allowed) to report delinquent and non-paid telephone charges on your credit report. So, although I have impeccable credit, I was not penalized in any way. I would make sure that ATT cannot or will not report to the credit bureaus. Losing your good credit for 8-12 years, even over $2 or $3,000, is not a fair trade, IMO.

Good luck! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #14  
I'm with a privately own telephone company. In order to change long distance providers, I have to go to their office and fill out paperwork.

I've always took this as a hindrance but maybe it's a blessing /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #15  
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At that time, ATT did not (or were not allowed) to report delinquent and non-paid telephone charges on your credit report. So, although I have impeccable credit, I was not penalized in any way. I would make sure that ATT cannot or will not report to the credit bureaus. Losing your good credit for 8-12 years, even over $2 or $3,000, is not a fair trade, IMO.

Good luck! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

This is one reason to NEVER give anyone that doesn't have an absolute legal reason to have your social security number. Telephone companies and other big companies that you do business with will ask for it, but I have always denied them the privilege of having it. If they say that they need it for a credit check, then I say that they can ask for a deposit, or that I will accept a COD account. I never give my SS number to anyone that doesn't have a absolute legitimate reason to have it. Today, if you are stopped for a traffic violation, the officer will sometimes ask for the number to run a check on you. I wouldn't even give it to him/her! If they insist, I would just say that I don't know it, because I don't have any reason to have it committed to memory. My license is all that I need to supply. Now, many states are refusing to renew your drivers license unless you provide your social security number. I believe that this is illegal, but I believe that it might have been part of the Homeland Security Act. You know the one that did away with the Bill of Rights!!!!
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #16  
as stated here before , i do beleive that when u switch carriers thereis supposed to be a third party for verification., i applaude u for trying to help, it can be very frustrating. good luck.
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #17  
Even tho it's international, contact the PUC.

And, when we switched, we had to wait for a third party witness as has earlier been stated. Demand a copy of the audio tape. Also, if and when Verizon passes it off to a collection agency - which they did in my case - immediately respond with a dispute.
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #18  
Hey Junkman hate it that your friend is in Phone H***. Best of LUCK with these 2 Giants.

As to state requireing Soscial on your DL. Alabama started that a couple years before 911. I at first refused and was told they would not issue the license until I did. Nor could I purchase new tag with out a DL. So I did insist they not print it on the DL. That they had no problem with. But I aggree they should have no right to force it out of you. Funy back when I was NAVY I told them I was not allowed to provide it do to security clearance (BS but it worked at the time)


This is more for those who call National...
I had a problem with my Londistance carrier constantly changing at the old house.
So I called the local co and told them that I would like all Longdistance services cancelled and that they were to deny activation of such with out a written letter from me post marked from my home address.

No problem says they.... but what willl you do for longdistance?
I unlike your friend have litttle or no need to call LD.
So I use my cell on the rare occasion and told them as much... Free nights and weekends ain't they grand???

They were none to happy. I used to get all kinds of letters after that from MCI,ATT and so on. I would just drop them in the ROUND FILE.

My new house we have ALltell and it is longdistance 1/2 mile down the road. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
So LD service is must.... /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Once I finally get DSL of some kind I'll try one of the new internet Telaphony services. There is one out by Kazza that is free.... i'm sure it has drawbacks, but who knows.... We use it at work for inner office calls coast to coast. It can be noisy and hard to here over now and then...
 
   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #19  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hey Junkman hate it that your friend is in Phone H***. Best of LUCK with these 2 Giants. )</font>


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   / Phone Bill Woes...Need Some Advice #20  
JunkMan once this is settled ( hopfully for his favor)maybe your pardner would be better off with a calling card...Than dealing with Slamming and

I used them for yrs in the early 90's At the time I usually goy better rates than than you could get over a phone.

I used to call from alll over the world , Spain, Rohdes Greece, Rio /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, Italy, Back in the NAVY DAYS....you name it... I had one that was $.5 per min.
 

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