Pictures Soon II Segue:

[MossRoad]

Don't mess with their blind if it isn't on your property... could open up a whole can O' worms.... IE... You could be fined for tresspassing, interfering with hunting activities, theft, vandalism, etc... Call the authorities and let them handle it. Works best that way.

Our property is posted no everything... I give one person permission to hunt there and I give him a card with my name and phone numbers on it. I give him a new one every year that he wants to hunt. I also have spoken with the local CO's about our property. While they are very overworked(I think there are about 2 or 3 guys for 5 counties) they have still managed to catch people on the property.... my in-laws! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif They use our property to store firewood on and the CO drove by, saw the chain down and stopped in. Gave them the third degree until they could answer all the right questions. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[DAP]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I see. so your plan is to break the law, tresspass, destroy anothers property )</font>

By george, I think you've got it! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( based on the ASSumption that something might be improperly done in the future.)</font>

Sorry fella, no assumptions here (as I stated before. The assumptions were your inventions.) Something "improperly done" has ALREADY OCCURRED...more than once...and I won't ASSUME it will be the last. Are we straight on that now?


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If you think politemess and courtesy is laughable then no doubt you will have many problems in the future with your neighbors.)</font>

Neighbors? This 180 ac parcel of land, although privately owned, is unoccupiable forest, and, partly federally protected wetlands for that matter. Noone lives there and hopefully will not be living there in the future. This land was once attached to my homestead. Everyone directly involved knows everyone else whereabouts. If addressing apathy, carelessness, wrecklessness, disrespect and a general disregard for the property of others, their families and the law with only politeness and courtesy has been successful in your endeavors, then it is I who is the dunce.


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( In Mi the distance from a structure is defined by law so the proper thing to do is call the DNR and let them send an officer. Takeing the law into your own hands will resolve little. I think I see your point though. you have six acres and you want to be able to fully control what others do on their 180 acres. I would be carefull about YOUR illigal activities lest you be the creator of your own problems. Dave )</font>

Dave, I'm not sure what your exact message is, and that's ok at the end of the day. I suggest you go back and re-read my post carefully. Rather than making further assumptions, query me for more facts, which I purposely omitted for the sake of brevity, but am willing to share.

I'm just a speck-o-buttlint in any local law enforcement agency's mind with regard to this matter if and until it escalates into something that THEY decide is a serious matter, as defined by them, not me.

Confronted with that, I challenge anyone not to do what they feel is necessary given the facts... and that's what I'm doing.

Lastly, I must call you on your choice of words -- "destroy anothers property" -- for example. Lessee, if you consider a <font color="green"> very dangerous and rickety half rotten wood platform in a 100yo silver maple tree, 12 feet off the ground, with a piles of bud bottles, burger king wrappers,spent shell casings and shells, tattered walmart fabric rolls used for windbreaks - all in the middle of a USGS designated wetland a mere 60 yards from my barn</font> to be personal property worthy of salvation, then, well, I'm not sure how to approach that argument. Dave, not withstanding my pedantic description, I know an active blind when I see (and hear) one. Even checked my Danyl Boone Wilderness Guide and it says so right on page 11, Mingo even agrees. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[MossRoad]

Dave,
I don't see it as him wanting to control what happens on the entire 180 acres. I just see him as being concerned for his safety.

 

[MossRoad]

You say that the owners are unresponsive....

Could you specify a little more information...

Unresponsive as in, they won't answer the phone, or unresponsive as in you have talked to them but they don't do anything about it to your satisfaction.

 

[Richard]

(as I quietly poke my head up to say something, hoping not to offend anyone…)

A couple of my thoughts…

First and foremost, I obviously, have no clue of Doug’s situation, and Doug… I feel your pain, believe me. Have you ever felt to be a prisoner in your own home during hunting season? (we have at times of high gunshot activity….defiantly no casual taking a walk in the woods on our own farm during hunting season)

Dave, your comment “By being friendly and just saying something like you really are a little to close to my buildings but good luck etc you will get a long way.”

And further down : “It does not seem like much of a problem if every one is polite”

Keyword is every one . That is something that must work both ways. Sadly in my specific experience, politeness has been more of a one-way street. For the HONERABLE hunters, you are right on target. They are not the issue though. My father in law tells of a squirrel hunter once that was shooting within 200’ of his house (but on TVA land). He confronted them, they said “oops, sorry, I didn’t know there was a house there” (in a 2 acre clearing…sigh). After FIL left, they went about their way shooting again so he had to call the warden. It’s easy to say “if we all just get along” but not everyone can/does as I’m sure you’re aware.

Sadly, there are folks that carry a gun that simply do not deserve to. Just as there are some humans that might not deserve to share the same air we all breath.

I DO think you make some valid and excellent points though, both now and prior posts.

A thought for you Doug, I don’t know about your hunting laws there, but here as I recall, you can’t discharge a firearm within 200 (maybe 300?) yards “of any dwelling, whether occupied or not” I probably butchered the wording, but that’s the essence of what I recall reading.

Given the geography of our land with surrounding lake on 3 sides and TVA owing a small strip of land between lake and our border, I have 1 or 2 more legal arrows in my quiver if my issues continue.

Using the dwelling comment above, I’ve contemplated investigating getting several old, dilapidated trailer homes. After all, they are “dwellings” by definition. Dragging them to strategic places along the border of the farm. Given the boundaries of TVA, us, water, landscape… I could probably eliminate 90% of the currently legal area in which they could discharge a firearm (and stay the required distance away from a dwelling). If I put for example 10 old trailers on the border of the farm, not only would the patch of ground 200 yards from them end up being a very small parcel of land… it would be WAY on the FAR FAR back side of the farm, causing them to have to walk the furthest distance to get there and more importantly, letting them shoot the furthest distance away from my home.

Again, I’m NOT anti hunting, anti hunter, anti anything else …but as Dave suggests… (“by being friendly” and “if everyone is polite”) if that happened in a bi-directional way, we could all live together and in peace. If on the other hand, that 5% of trash human keeps coming out our way and bringing their problems onto us via drugs, alcohol, theft, trash, trespassing, killing pets ….continues, then they are just making it worse for everyone, themselves and fellow hunters (even the good ones) included. I hope it doesn’t get to that kind of extreme, but if they continue to push me/us, I’m willing to pursue that angle. THEN (if it ever were to happen) we’d see who got the last laugh. I could name the dwellings in honor of our dogs (some that were killed) ‘Wiggles Wig-Wam”, “Daisy’s Dormitory”, ‘Tubbies Towers”, “Rosies Rest Home”, “Otis’s Oasis”… yeah… I kinda like that idea

My wife has talked to her friends (and our neighbors who share same issues) about this and as THEY all get huffy puffy, she just reflects back and tells them that we too, get very angry, but rather than doing something rash, that he (me) is researching and trying to “fight back” legally.

I don’t think you are planning on doing anything illegal (in reality), however, tensions and emotions can run high..trust me, I know. No matter what you do, don’t do anything without thinking it through and keeping your own keister covered. Doing something back at a slimeball might be gratifying, but doing it legally where they have no comeback to what you did is even more sweet. Ask me how I know /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Best of luck

Richard

 

[DAP]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( and Doug… I feel your pain, believe me. Have you ever felt to be a prisoner in your own home during hunting season? (we have at times of high gunshot activity….defiantly no casual taking a walk in the woods on our own farm during hunting season))</font>

Umm .. that's right Richard. We have 7 or 8 animals, all rescued from the glue factory, etc. If something ever happened to one of those .. well, I certainly needn't explain that. Many a time has my wife turned the mares in in the middle of a perfectly beautiful autumn day because of the shooters. Same for the goats and grays, who love to accompany us on walks into the forest.


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( A thought for you Doug, I don’t know about your hunting laws there, but here as I recall, you can’t discharge a firearm within 200 (maybe 300?) yards “of any dwelling, whether occupied or not” I probably butchered the wording, but that’s the essence of what I recall reading.)</font>

That's correct for NYS also. 200 yds, 600ft. See attached pic on my previous post.

I too am angry and frightened Richard. You're living my nightmare albeit a seasonal one. It also makes me angry to see others (noone in particular btw) attempt to defend this issue given the facts when there can be no defense. What happened to your animals is undefendable and reprehensible.

I too am not anti hunting. However, where someone else's stupidity, ignorance or apathy result in the very real threat of the physical well being of my family, then am I left to belief that all particular groups that may fall into that category are self-policing? I think not.

If I actually get caught taking down this old tree blind, I will endure the consequences. The only people who will even know it's gone are the one's who are ruining it for the responsible sportsman. I'll take my chances methinks. The most likely scenario in this case is that they will move on and slovenly occupy some other perhaps safer part of this parcel as they will be too lazy and apathetic to rebuild.

 

[Docsknotinn]

I think the incredibly curt tone of your message speaks volumes. I sure would like to get clued into how he does not propose to be controlling what others do on their property when he is blatantly saying he is going to break the law by taking it in his own hands. Further he is making a choice for his neighbor about weather or not Their property is appropriate for Their needs. I personally would say thats pretty controlling. By the way Mr Lint your post started as you did not know about any illegal activities now you claim them as fact, but then you have a blind that is 80 yards, NO No wait sixty yards , yeah yeah sixty yards from your barn. I think your are your own worst enemy ! Dave

 

[Docsknotinn]

Richard, I agree with your perspective. I does have to be mutual. But generally I have found that usually works, not always but usually. I think the idea of a out building at the farthest point on your property is a exceptional idea. It should not be difficult to out smart such fools. I wish you the best of luck with that. I would just like to see the slime bag that did it caught and flogged and not have every one pay for those crimes. I realize that is overly simplistic. Dave

 

[shvl73]

Richard is a better man than I. He is determined, but rational. We are all fortunate to have such people among us.
TW

 

[DAP]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think the incredibly curt tone of your message speaks volumes. I sure would like to get clued into ... By the way Mr Lint your post started as you did not know about any illegal activities now you claim them as fact, but then you have a blind that is 80 yards, NO No wait sixty yards , yeah yeah sixty yards from your barn. I think your are your own worst enemy ! Dave )</font>

For reasons that would be clear to most, and other than this, I won't honor this post with a response.