Pictures soon

hazmat · Jan 4, 2004

Richard,

I am so sorry for your loss. This is the first time I've cried in a lot of years. My heart goes out to you and your family.

Stephen.

dieselsmoke1 · Jan 4, 2004

Terrible.......my condolences.

wroughtn_harv · Jan 5, 2004

I too want to express my condolences to Richard and his family.

His frustration and anger is obivous and understandable.

How can you return pain for pain when the person or persons who caused you pain are evidently incapable of feeling the same kind of pain? Anyone who has been fortunate enough to have had a pet that loved and was loved could never kill in cold blood another's pet.

The only kinds of people who could commit such a crime are those who've never loved and maybe been loved. As such there can be no comparable revenge. That is frustrating when one's anger seeks revenge.

While I share Richard's frustration and feelings of violation and can understand his sabotaging access for other's who might threaten his property, family, and peace. I have to in my heart of hearts wonder if that isn't an injustice in it's own way. After all, of all the visitors that have came and gone over the years only one individual or group took the time and intiative to kill his dogs. To punish everyone for the actions of one or two might be a wrong also.

hazmat · Jan 5, 2004

After all, of all the visitors that have came and gone over the years only one individual or group took the time and initiative to kill his dogs. To punish everyone for the actions of one or two might be a wrong also.


To punish everyone for the actions of one is wrong. However, this is just the latest instance of Richard having been "wronged" by the people using the TVA & his property illegally. Several examples are in this thread and others where Richard has detailed his experiences. This is the proverbially "straw" that broke the camel's back. More like an anvil than a straw if you ask me....

Richard's roadblocks are only preventing unauthorized vehicle access. They are not keeping anyone from enjoying the land on foot.

Richard · Jan 5, 2004

( Ok, now on to getting even. Trail cams, claymore's (sp), deep pits inviting a drive through, roofing nails, Bouncing Betty's and such come to mind.
)

Hoosier..

I've been in more talks with TVA. They want to block off the other entrance to woods to keep these slimes from driving back there. (the lazy hunters that want to park 25 feet from their blind, the dudes who want to 4-wheel truck in there and the dudes who want to ATV in there... ALL moterized vehicles are illegal but TVA has dropped the ball on enforcement).

Back to point

I told Mr. TVA that to plug 2 entrances to a playground will only cause the lawbreakers to cut more entrances TO the playground. He agreed. I said "why don't we take 20/40/60 more tons of rocks and BLOCK the roads INSIDE the playground and in addition cut trenches on their paths to essentially disassemble it?"

(he was thinking of ONLY putting a trench on the other entrance)

He admitted that disassembling the playground would be a harder hit on them and is taking my idea to his boss.

I told him they could hire me for $1.00. He said his accounting dept would call him in a heartbeat saying "what's with this $1.00 charge? dont' you know it costs us $50.00 to simply write the check?"

I told him if he felt compelled to pay me $10,000 I'd happily accept it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

He understand my point though that I want to do what I can do and am willing to help.

Richard

Richard · Jan 5, 2004

wow... I just got done reading the last 30 or so responses...

not sure if I want to "answer" any of the confrontational ones, as I do not want to heighten the mood here AND I notice others have in essense, stood up for me and for that, I am grateful. (that others have seen my angle).

Richard

gsganzer · Jan 5, 2004

Richard,
Our hearts go out to you. I'm always saddened by the cruelty we witness in the world. Our pets are like family and we take their wellbeing to heart. My constant companion "Dually" is like a son and best friend to me. The thought of someone causing him harm boils my blood.

Regarding the confrontational posts:
I'm an avid hunter and consider others like myself to be "ambassadors" of the sport. This crime torques me in two ways. One, the cruelty to the innocent pets and two, that someone has slandered our sport by shooting two animals while under the guise of hunting. I have no tolerance for those that hunt unethically, unsafely or commit poaching or slaughter. It's our duty as "ambassadors" to make sure "Joe Public" has a favorable impression of our sport. This includes treating the game with respect, leaving no trace of our activities on the land and respecting the landowners and general public. It hacks me off when I see someone wearing camo doing something distasteful or a bloodied animal tied to a roof rack. These are images that implant a negative opinion of our sport.

I don't believe you're vendetta is aimed at the hunters, as we share your outrage. The idiot(s) that committed this atrocity are not hunters, they're criminals, plain and simple. Any true hunter, would turn them in to the authorities.

CTyler · Jan 5, 2004

Very sad indeed, my condolences.

A couple comments on previous posts. I don't think putting up pics of your murdered dogs would have any affect on the criminals. Everyone has to realize, took me a while to get this myself, is that "They" do not live by the same set of rules/morals that we do. Hence what we think of as wrong, shamefull etc.. does not apply to them.

I hope that someone may have seen something so that these criminals can be caught. These are the type of person/s that will commit murder of humans among other crimes. One of the ways it starts is by what happened to your pets. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Richard · Jan 5, 2004

gsganzer...

I must say you hit my feelings right on the head. I had a 3 page book written to try to say what you did in your one paragraph about Ambassadors.

Now with that (your paragraph) said, I will go re-read my book cut it down and "maybe" post a comment of it.

I don't want to turn this thread into a pro/con/other regarding hunting/hunters/Atv'ers/other...because that is not what it (nor myself) is really about. It's about, as you so said, criminals that CALL themselves by other names.

Richard

riptides · Jan 5, 2004

First my condolences to you.

I wish not to disrespect anyone, or trample on feeling so present in this dicsussion about what happended.

Richard you stated -
( I've been in more talks with TVA. They want to block off the other entrance to woods to keep these slimes from driving back there. (the lazy hunters that want to park 25 feet from their blind, the dudes who want to 4-wheel truck in there and the dudes who want to ATV in there... ALL moterized vehicles are illegal but TVA has dropped the ball on enforcement).)

Perhaps this offers an angle on llegal aspect of dealing with the TVA. By not "enforcing" or "checking" their lands, they are placing a hardship on you. I think you should persue this
enforcement issue with a vengence until they fix their problem.

-I wish you the best.
-Mike Z.