PO'ed Veteran

[sodamo]

I'm of mixed thoughts on this. I understand what they are doing and why but don't agree it's the best way. Only a couple nights ago there was another news story (ABC?) about OTC drugs and anther on kids doing expired prescriptions. Call me cold hearted, but let them have 'em. Contrary to the reports, I'd say the number of kids doing these drugs "innocently" is very very small. Let's face it, most people don't hide if they believe what they are doing is right.
Solution seems to be in the anti terror mode, go for the easy target and not the problem profile.

Guess I'd better stop before I offend some bleeding heart.

 

[keegs]

If part of this story involved someone's kid being run down by the nut strung out on methamphetamine or liquid nails, these same freedom lovers would be complaining about government's failure to regulate these products.

Just one vet shaking his head at all the silliness going on in our polity.

 

[jpm]

the part about lost freedoms will bring me into politice's so i'll pass.having to show id for over the counter drugs to stop some drug addict will not stop it from getting lit up,but the govt will know i have a snotty nose

 

[Sigarms]

Please tell us what freedom it was that you gave up at HD? Convenience maybe...but I don't see any freedoms being abused. Would you feel the same if asked to show ID at a liquor store? I love it when I present a credit card and they ask for ID also. The store wishes to not sell certain items to minors. If we take away their tools for doing that, whose freedoms are then being abused? Yes, showing your ID to buy Liquid Nails or glue is a pain, but it's a loss of convenience, not a loss of freedom in my opinion.

+1

I've lived in New York. There are much bigger issues in that state per "personal freedoms" than getting asked for ID at a box store.

I'd say the number of kids doing these drugs "innocently" is very very small. Let's face it, most people don't hide if they believe what they are doing is right.

I think you will find prescription drugs the most abused drug in our society. Ironically, it's not kids who abuse these drugs.

Guess I'd better stop before I offend some bleeding heart.

You're funny. You don't want to offend some bleeding heart.

 

[jimmyj]

What am I missing. Why would showing ID stop abuse? A druggie would care less about showing ID at a hardware store to buy glue? No?

 

[keegs]

What am I missing. Why would showing ID stop abuse? A druggie would care less about showing ID at a hardware store to buy glue? No?

Jimmy this is a guess but as was suggested, it's likely that you can get high allot more and do allot more damage to yourself and perhaps others for allot less money with a tube of glue than say a six pack of beer. Presumably such a low cost method of getting high is more attractive to young people.

I'm 53 and got carded buying a six pack of beer in Maine a few weeks ago. First time that's happened in quite a while. Now the girl behind the counter had one wandering eye which could explain everything...but it made my day nonetheless. :thumbsup:

I'll add, if you take advantage of the discounts available through the use of a courtesy card at your local grocery, (the one that records all the stuff you buy every week and that you need in order to write a check) you're likely giving up lots of personal information. I never hear anyone complain about that.

 

[jinman]

What am I missing. Why would showing ID stop abuse? A druggie would care less about showing ID at a hardware store to buy glue? No?

Jim, I think the stores are IDing folks to make sure they don't sell inhalants to minors. Sure, the kids can get it somewhere else, but the stores get beat up for selling it because it was a product of their store. The only way they can positively say they did not sell to a minor is to check everyone's ID. Then, it's the fault of the person who was careless and let their kids get the glue rather than the store who sells it. Lawyers and lawsuits tend to go after the person with the deepest pockets. Can you blame them for wanting to protect themselves? Yes, it's a shame and a pain to have to deal with, but my argument would be that it is not a loss of freedom, but rather an inconvenience. Words have meaning and I think that freedom was a poor choice of words. That's all. . .

 

[jimmyj]

Thanks Jim. Now I get it re minors.

We used to have a problem at the retail company I work at with shoplifters stealing stuff and then trying to return it to get cash to buy drugs. The cops actually criticized us for not having a stern enough policy to prevent it. What we did was implement a policy so when a person wants to do a return with no receipt, we ask for ID (photo). It's amazing how the crooks disappeared when we did that.

 

[automech]

I am with you 100%, I am putting off getting my winter package of cold and sinus "over the counter" meds. Last fall I had to go to the pharmacy at the back of the store, show my drivers license, give my social security #, birth date and sign a release and sign my credit card receipt. Oh yea, you can only get 1 box of the medication at a time. Pitiful!! Ken Sweet

There is some ingredient in the cold and flu meds that meth makers boil down and use to create their drug. Putting the meds on the back shelf is one way to combat illegal drugs. I don't know about liquid nails. I only use a box or 2 of cold meds so I don't mind showing ID for it. And I am a vet, but I don't think that all laws are a bad thing. I enjoy a good life in part because of the laws that keep me and my family safe and secure. I appreciate good roads, police protection, anti dumping laws, local building permits and inspections, and other rules that now seem like common sense but at one time were new. I also make a decent living in part because of vehicle inspection laws. Some of the vehicles I see people driving are dangerous, and the only reason they bring them in is because they need to get an annual inspection. I wouldn't care if someone wanted to drive a dangerous car except they might hit me or a busload of schoolkids when there brakes fail etc.

 

[Gator6x4]

I think it is sad merchants are trying to restrict access to additive substances and materials. Why can’t we just continue classifying people as drug dependant, give them SSI benefits, Welfare Credit Cards, Medicaid Insurance, Rental Vouchers, drive vehicles on our streets and highways in a zombie like trance, running over anything that happens to be in their travel path, while the rest of us work and pay for their chosen life style.