Power comparison

[69raptor]

I have a mahindra 3616 open station and am buying a koiti 4510c . Will the koiti feel as strong or stronger then the manhindra?

 

[jeff9366]

Mahindra 3616

2011 - 16 Series
Compact Utility tractor
Series back: Mahindra 3016

Distributor: Mahindra
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi

Mahindra 3616 Engine:
Mitsubishi 1.7L 3-cyl diesel
full engine details ...

Capacity:
Fuel: 7.1 gal [26.9 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: 1
Control: position control
Rear lift: 2,646 lbs [1200 kg]

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: independent (gear)
live (hydro)
Rear RPM: 540
Engine RPM: 540@2376
Mid PTO: optional
Mid RPM: 2000
Engine RPM: 2000@2525

Dimensions & Tires:
Weight: 2560 to 3027 pounds
Front tire: 7x16
Rear tire: 11.2x24

Mahindra 3616 attachments:
front-end loader
backhoe
all 3616 attachments ...

Mahindra 3616 Power:
Engine: 36.2 hp [27.0 kW]
PTO (claimed): 31 hp [23.1 kW] (gear)
29 hp [21.6 kW] (hydro)

Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x4 MFWD 4WD
Steering: hydrostatic power
Brakes: wet disc
Cab: Two-post foldable ROPS. Cab optional.

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Valves: 1 (optional)
Pump flow: 7.7 gpm [29.1 lpm]
Steering flow: 3.4 gpm [12.9 lpm]



KIOTI 4510
Engine Model 3F183T
Engine Gross Power 45 hp (33.6 kW)
Rated Speed 2,600 rpm
No. of Cylinders 3
Fuel Type Diesel
Aspiration Turbo Charged
Displacement 111.4 cu. in. (1,826 cc)
Fuel Tank Capacity 14.8 gal. (56 L)
Transmission
Transmission Type Hydrostatic
Shuttle None
No. of Travel Speeds - Forward / Reverse 3 Range
Min. Travel Speed of Forward w/ Ag @ Engine rated speed 0 mph (0 km/h)
Max. Travel Speed of Forward w/ Ag @ Engine rated speed 16.52 mph (26.59 km/h)
Power Take-Off (PTO)
PTO Type Trans Independent
PTO Power 33.9 hp (25.3 kW)
Rear PTO Speeds (1st) 540 rpm
Mid PTO Speeds 2,000 rpm (Optional)
Brakes and Clutch
Brakes Wet Multi Disc
Clutch None
Dimensions w/ AG Tire
Length w/ 3-point hitch 139.6 in. (3,547 mm)
Width 65.6 in. (1,665 mm)
Height from Top of ROPS Cab 94.1 in. (2,390 mm)
Wheelbase 75.6 in. (1,920 mm)
Ground Clearance 13.7 in. (350 mm)
Front Tread Ag Tires - Min 55.2 in. (1,352 mm)
Rear Tread Ag Tires - Min 52.1 in. (1,324 mm)
Turning Radius w/ Brake 9.81 ft. (2.99 m)
Hydraulics
Pump Gear
Pump Capacity (Max. Flow Rate) 17.9 gpm (67.6 L/min)
3-Point Hitch
Standard Category Category I
Lift Capacity, 24" aft of hitch 3,177 lbs. (1,441 kg)
Control Type Position with Draft Control
Weight
Weight with Ag Tires 4,314 lbs. (1,956.8 kg)




Your question is mostly answered by (bare tractor) weight.

Mahindra 3,000 pounds ~~ Kioti 4,300 pounds. You will notice a significant difference but not a WOW!!!!
It takes a doubling of bare tractor weight to elicit a WOW!!! from most people.

 

[69raptor]

Is the wow going to be a good wow or bad? Going to the 4510 i was thinking i would have plenty of power copared to the 3616. The 3616 has loaded tires also and the 4510 will not. Thanks

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Is the wow going to be a good wow or bad? Going to the 4510 i was thinking i would have plenty of power copared to the 3616. The 3616 has loaded tires also and the 4510 will not. Thanks

So weight will probably be about 500lbs more with the Kioti once the loader is on. You have more HP, better stability and a loader and 3pt with about 1000lbs more lift capacity on each.

The WOW factor is different for each individual. The Kioti is a more capable machine which it should be, being a frame size larger.

Good luck.

 

[69raptor]

Im get the 4510 delivered monday so thanks for all the help.

 

[jeff9366]

Is the wow going to be a good wow or bad? Going to the 4510 i was thinking i would have plenty of power copared to the 3616. The 3616 has loaded tires also and the 4510 will not. Thanks

Your question is mostly answered by (bare tractor) weight.

Mahindra 3,000 pounds ~~ Kioti 4,300 pounds.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Your question is mostly answered by (bare tractor) weight.

Mahindra 3,000 pounds ~~ Kioti 4,300 pounds.

Except that with loaded tires on the 3616 and none loaded tires with the 4510 has that weight difference much closer, but still in the Kioti's favor .

 

[69raptor]

I don't know how 9 hp is going to feel with a 1300 # weight difference. And some hills is my problem.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I don't know how 9 hp is going to feel with a 1300 # weight difference. And some hills is my problem.

There is not a 1300lb difference, more like 500-600lbs. Remember the filled tires in your 3616.

If you are concerned about power, then go up to a 5010.

 

[69raptor]

The differences between 4510 and the 6010 $5,000 and i would have to wait at least 2 months. Thats what i was told anyway.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

The differences between 4510 and the 6010 $5,000 and i would have to wait at least 2 months. Thats what i was told anyway.

What about a 5010? I would think that the additional 5 HP would take care of the additional weight.

 

[jeff9366]

I don't know how 9 hp is going to feel with a 1300 # weight difference. And some hills is my problem.

You really need to get tire loading, hills, etc in your opening post in order to maximize our help.

Changing the parameters with every post is NO GOOD.

 

[69raptor]

Didnt mean to change things up as i was only trying to get some info.

 

[Code54]

Just have the tires loaded if you feel you need more traction and weight.

 

[IndyIan]

HST or gears? I've got 41hp in a 4510 sized tractor with loaded tires and it will climb in med range without a problem. I guess if you've got smooth smooth fields that you could run full speed in med range, it might not climb a steep hill at full speed, but I've never found a situation like that in my hills. I pull around a 9' haybine in med range in moderate hills just fine though.
The only time I really wish I had more hp is running a too large round baler, or pulling a wagon on the road in high range. I run a 1000lb boxblade and in low range power isn't a problem.

 

[69raptor]

After putting a few hours on my 4510 c it has plenty of power for our hills here .One thing i am disappointed about is the lag on the hydro system forward and back. All of my past tractors haven't had this problem. Also pedal travel . It seems that i have to move the pedal in half way to get any movement. How can you be consistent on your movement set up like that. I'm going to my dealer early this week to get my top hydraulic top link and graple and will bring this up to them then.

 

[Code54]

I have not run a 4510 but that does sound odd - I run hydros on a lot of different brands and while each have there minor differences I never noticed that on any brand. Hopefully someone here owns your same model and can jump in and give first hand details of the way theirs operates.

 

[hillwood]

After putting a few hours on my 4510 c it has plenty of power for our hills here .One thing i am disappointed about is the lag on the hydro system forward and back. All of my past tractors haven't had this problem. Also pedal travel . It seems that i have to move the pedal in half way to get any movement. How can you be consistent on your movement set up like that. I'm going to my dealer early this week to get my top hydraulic top link and graple and will bring this up to them then.

The pedals are not mechanically linked. They are pushing on a sensor that sends a signal to the ECM. The ECM will then signal an actuator to move the hydro.
Drive by wire. You just need to get used to it. Make sure you have the pedal speed turned up on the control panel.
I like the system. The pedals push easy and it won't get jurky. You can get smooth forward and backwards operation once you get used to the delay

 

[69raptor]

After i wrote the post i went out and spent some time on the machine. And it did alot better. Like you say i need to get used to it. It will be fine thanks.

 

[oosik]

AH - I must have missed something here. You purchased a new tractor without ever sitting on it, operating the controls, taking it for a spin or checking out the specs??