POWER TAKEOFF

BARNACLE BILL · Dec 10, 2011

I HAVE A FORD 3000. I HAVE NEVER HAD USE FOR THE POWER TAKEOFF TILL NOW --- SNOWBLOWER. HOW CAN I ENGAGE THE POWER TAKEOFF WITH MOTOR RUNNING ?? WHEN I PRESS THE PT LEVER I GET GEAR GRINDING.
THANKS --- BAR BILL

groundcover · Dec 10, 2011

Are you depressing the clutch ? Not sure on that tractor but you may have a two stage clutch, halfway down disengages the drive gears all the way the drive and PTO. No you don't Want to engage the PTO with the engine stopped. Good luck !

Clint S · Dec 10, 2011

How are you trying to engage it. Moving, clutch in, neutral? Clutch has to be in to engage. Worst case the coupler could be stripped. I have never taken one of those apart, but if the rear PTO bearing goes you could get wobble that breaks the nub that aligns the countershaft and the PTO causing that grinding. That is how our Farmtrac is and it is modeled after the 3000 series fords. May be wrong though

JoeinTX · Dec 10, 2011

Never been around a 3000 Ford much, but, on the earlier Fords getting a grinding of gears when trying to engage the PTO happens fairly often. As it happens, let back out on the clutch then back in and try again. Might happen more than once and that's fine. You have to find that "sweet spot" from time to time. No biggie.

Now, if this is happening every time you try and regardless of how you try to do it and it still fails to engage.....well, then you may have a problem with the clutch or PTO.

BARNACLE BILL · Dec 10, 2011

I MOUNTED THE SNOWBLOWER --- STARTED TRACTOR.
WITH TRACTOR IDELLING / THE TRANSMISSION IN NEUTRAL / 2 SPEED IN NEUTRAL --- I TRIED ENGAGING PTO LEVER WITH AND WITHOUT THE CLUTCH PEDAL DOWN. SINCE IT HAS "LIVE POWER" I WOULDN'T THING THE CLUTCH WOULD BE USED TO STOP THE PTO. EITHER WAY THE PTO WOULDN'T ENGAGE --- GEARS GRINDING. SEEMS SOMETHING HAS TO STOP THE PTO GEARS BEFORE ENGAGING THE PTO. ANY OTHER IDEAS ??
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE REPLIES. NICE TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO GO WITH TRACTOR PROBLEMS.
BAR BILL

Kioti guy · Dec 11, 2011

Have you tried to engage the pto with engine turned off? If it will engage with the engine off,then depress the clutch( w/ engine off) and see if pto will freewheel if will not it is a clutch/clutch adjustment problem....Craig

cowski · Dec 11, 2011

how quick are you trying to engage the pto.when you press the clutch, give it time for the gears to stop spinnin, before you move the pto lever.

wedge40 · Dec 11, 2011

I'd post this over the Ford section and wait for soundguy to reply.

Wedge

Treesanddust · Dec 12, 2011

Depending on the year model of the 3000, the clutch linkadge has two positions where it connects to the clutch pedal. In one hole if you push the clutch all the way down, both the drive and the pto clutches disengage, in the other hole, if you push the pedal all the way down, only the drive clutch disengages. You might want to check where the rod connects to the pedal and see if there are two holes on the rod connector.

hrcarver · Dec 12, 2011

Clutch it, it usually takes a second or two and lower rpm helps... and it tends to fall in as you release the clutch. You can knock mine off without clutching it, but to engage it needs the clutch. Its going to grind a little, but hey its a 40 year old tractor. You aint gonna hurt it.

BARNACLE BILL · Dec 13, 2011

WE ARE TALKING THE "INDEPENDENT (LIVE) PTO" HERE. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THE CLUTCH WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE "LIVE" PTO. DOESN'T IT STAY RUNNING EVEN WITH THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED ??
I TRIED ENGAGING THE PTO WITH THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED WITH NO LUCK BUT I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY.
THANKS AGAIN GUYS.
BAR BILL

ArtMech · Dec 13, 2011

BARNACLE BILL said:
I HOW CAN I ENGAGE THE POWER TAKEOFF WITH MOTOR RUNNING ??

A couple of statements from my OM regarding the PTO engagement (independent PTO case).

1. A To avoid shock loads to the PTO, reduce engine speed when engaging the PTO, then open the throttle to the recommended speed.
2. A To avoid damage of PTO clutch and implement, shift the PTO clutch control lever slowly, when engaging the PTO clutch. Do not keep the PTO clutch control lever half way.
3. Tractor engine will not start if the PTO clutch control lever is in the engaged "ON" position.

hrcarver · Dec 13, 2011

BARNACLE BILL said:
WE ARE TALKING THE "INDEPENDENT (LIVE) PTO" HERE. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THE CLUTCH WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE "LIVE" PTO. DOESN'T IT STAY RUNNING EVEN WITH THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED ??
I TRIED ENGAGING THE PTO WITH THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED WITH NO LUCK BUT I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY.
THANKS AGAIN GUYS.
BAR BILL

Maybe they made them both ways? Mine needs the clutch.

The independent will run regardless of clutch position, live pto will stop with the clutch in.

BARNACLE BILL · Dec 22, 2011

MY OWNERS / SHOP MANUALS STATE THAT MY FORD 3000 HAS THE "LIVE" POWER PTO. THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED 1/2 WAY --- STOPS THE TRACTOR. THE CLUTCH DEPRESSED ALL THE WAY ---- IT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP THE TRACTOR AND PTO --- BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THE PTO. WITHOUT THIS CLUTCH RELEASING THE GEARS -- I CAN'T ENGAGE THE PTO WITHOUT GRINDING THE GEARS. THE MANUALS SHOW NO TROUBLE SHOOTING IDEAS. CAN THE CLUTCH / LINKAGE BE ADJUSTED OR WHAT WILL I NEED TO DO ??
THANKS GUYS --- BAR BILL

cowski · Dec 22, 2011

it is a dry clutch it is adjustable.look in the manual it should show how to adjust it.generally all you do is lengthen or shorten the clutch rod.it should have a spring on the pedal,make sure it is not lost or broken.

Soundguy · Dec 22, 2011

clutch will have to be pressed , even on a twin stick live pto.

if the pto ain't been used alot.. pto stage may be stuck.

soundguy

Soundguy · Dec 22, 2011

not much adjustment past freeplay.

adjust it to book specs freeplay.. or a hair less see what ya get. if pto is still stuck on with clutch down, then start tractor with pto engaged and clutch blocked down. if simply stuck.. that might pop it apart.

post back..

knightrider955 · Dec 23, 2011

Ok heres the deal. Engage the PTO with the tractor off!! Start the tractor. With the clutch pushed all the way in, see if the PTO still spins. It shouldnt. The reason I say this: My tractors PTO is operated off of a hand lever, not the clutch. BUT: I still have a lever to engage the PTO before my hand lever will work. Your tracor might be the same way. With my hand lever disengaged, mine still grinds when I engage the other PTO lever if the tractor is running.

BARNACLE BILL · Jan 1, 2012

WELL GENTLEMEN --- MY PTO PROBLEM STILL ISN'T SOLVED. I ADJUSTED THE CLUTCH ARM TO THE MAX AND IT STILL DOES NOT DISENGAGE THE PTO WHEN FULLY DEPRESSED LIKE IT SHOULD. I TRIED TO LOOSEN THE PTO SHAFT --- WHILE ENGAGED --- WITH A BAR, ---- WITH THE CLUTCH FULLY DEPRESSED --- WITH NO LUCK. EVIDENTLY THE PROBLEM IS INTERNAL. THE SHOP MANUAL IS WORTHLESS WHEN IT COMES TO SOLVING PROBLEMS. SHOWS THE INTERNAL PARTS --- EXPLAINES NOTHING. THERE IS A 6 IN. ROUND INSPECTION PLATE JUST TO THE REAR OF THE PTO LEVER. COULD A MECHANIC GET TO THE PROBLEM FROM THERE ?? AND IF SO --- WHAT MITE BE THE PROBLEM TO LOOK FOR ?? WITH THIS BEING THE 1st DAY --- MY NEW YEAR ISN'T STARTING OUT VERY HAPPY.
HERE'S WISHING Y'ALL A BETTER ONE.
BAR BILL