atsah
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Bingo.. They replaced the first one and apparently it lasted long enough to almost get it onto a trailer, changed it again and also had a battery issue, something is fishy..
Problem with Starting New DK4510
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Bingo.. They replaced the first one and apparently it lasted long enough to almost get it onto a trailer, changed it again and also had a battery issue, something is fishy..
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New tractors of ANY brand can and sometimes do have issues that take some effort to solve. Interchanging suspected parts that control functions like starting, such as a ECMs don't always fall off a dealer's shelf. If ANY manufacturer is having a problem with something as complex as a ECM, it may be present in all or some of the units both on the tractors and replacement units. This does NOT indicate a 'lemon' tractor, or a poor quality brand either.
The fact that something had to 'be done to the battery' too, could point to issues with the tractor that were not found until the ECM was replaced, possibly with a second new unit. Dealers and manufacturers don't always disclose what they have done to fix something that they set right under warranty. Their obligation is to do the repair, which is not necessarily a full disclosure situation, as part of their remedy.
If the OP experiences further issues report them here and to your selling dealer. And look at who, mostly Deere people, in this thread, is slamming your brand choice, its relays, - NOT the problem, etc.:confused2:
On further thought, its possible the battery was the cause of the entire problem from the start.
The ECM could have been replaced by the dealer, and when going to load the tractor it became evident the issue was NOT the ECM, but something more obvious- hence the battery was likely changed out, and problem solved.
The fact that something had to 'be done to the battery' too, could point to issues with the tractor that were not found until the ECM was replaced, possibly with a second new unit. Dealers and manufacturers don't always disclose what they have done to fix something that they set right under warranty. Their obligation is to do the repair, which is not necessarily a full disclosure situation, as part of their remedy.
If the OP experiences further issues report them here and to your selling dealer. And look at who, mostly Deere people, in this thread, is slamming your brand choice, its relays, - NOT the problem, etc.:confused2:
On further thought, its possible the battery was the cause of the entire problem from the start.
The ECM could have been replaced by the dealer, and when going to load the tractor it became evident the issue was NOT the ECM, but something more obvious- hence the battery was likely changed out, and problem solved.
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radios1
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hopefully, they gave you a NEW battery, because once you kill them, you are lucky if you get 50% of capacity after a charge, it also severely shortens it's life
JimR
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Hopefully your problem is gone for good.
Well, one would have certainly hoped so but that does not appear to be the case. Used the tractor 2 weeks back with no problems. Went to property this morning to mow, turned key on, everything lights up like it’s supposed to but no matter what I do, I now cannot get the tractor to crank. Nothing happens when you turn the key. No clicks, starter groans, etc. Nothing.
This is ridiculous.
atsah
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That tractor has an electrical problem they need to fix.. I hope they have someone competent enough to straighten it out but the sequence of events has me wondering if they do.
JimR
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You are sure the brake is on, tractor in neutral, PTO knob is off and you are sitting in the seat, right? I'd do a little ground work like making sure that the seat switch, PTO switch, brake switch and neutral switch all work. If all else fails call the dealer and tell him to come and get it. They obviously are missing something. Also make sure that any connection from those switches is fully plugged in. Have you tried turning the key on and jump starting the starter to see if it runs?
radios1
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how about a nice used case or caterpillar?..
DieselBound
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I'd like to know that a full electrical system check was done. Not sure about these tractors, but I know that ECUs can get stupid if you run them with low voltage. It's possible that the first ECU got trashed due to such a condition and that the dealer then discovered the battery to be bad (due to improper charging) and that the replacement battery (and replacement ECU) has now been negatively impacted.
I'd really want to take a look at the wires to/from the alternator. Might be a bad connection is the source of all the ills.
Not saying that it's the case, but I really don't have a lot of confidence in dealers (my cars will never go to one). Many times they seem to pass something off as being fixed based on "it seems fine now," rather than actually being put through rigorous tests that demonstrate that in fact things are fixed: my dealer was shocked that my NX's cab was still leaking after they'd repaired it- it was actually WORSE than the initial leaks! (now I'm dealing with another leaking rear axle issue after they'd "repaired" it - can't seem to get anything repaired on the first go-round).
I'd really want to take a look at the wires to/from the alternator. Might be a bad connection is the source of all the ills.
Not saying that it's the case, but I really don't have a lot of confidence in dealers (my cars will never go to one). Many times they seem to pass something off as being fixed based on "it seems fine now," rather than actually being put through rigorous tests that demonstrate that in fact things are fixed: my dealer was shocked that my NX's cab was still leaking after they'd repaired it- it was actually WORSE than the initial leaks! (now I'm dealing with another leaking rear axle issue after they'd "repaired" it - can't seem to get anything repaired on the first go-round).