Propane hidden charge.

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I have natural gas in my home and propane in my workshop. I keep the workshop at 45degrees when not in use so I use very little gas. I haven't even filled it in the last 2 years but needed a fill. I checked the price and found that the price that I would be paying was about $1.50 more per gallon than any of the competitors so I switched. The new company disconnected the old tank and hooked up the new one. There was maybe 30 gallons in the old tank and I calculated that it would cost me more to configure a flexible hose and fittings to use it up from the place they dropped it so was willing to eat the cost. I just called to have the old tank picked up and they informed me that when I signed up I had agreed to a $420 pickup charge to remove it from my property. If I had known this I would have been better off just paying the higher rate at the pace of consumption I have. I guess I should have read the lengthy contract much closer.
 
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When I quit using propane the company I was using had a different take on it.I told them there some gas left in the tank and felt I should get reimbursed. They said yea but it usually evens out as to what they charge to pick it up. I told them I'll open the valve so noone will be buying propane that is already paid for.then I'll put it in the road and next time they are coming by the can pick it up.
Within a week they came by and picked up. I didn't get anything for gas left in tank though
 
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I switched providers a couple years ago, and don't recall there being any charge to pick up the old tank. The old provider did pay me for the gas remaining in the tank, but it wasn't very much...probably their wholesale price. There wasn't much co-ordination between the office and the tech who picked up the tank. A couple days after they took the tank I got a notice that they would be coming.
We're in a similar situation as far as usage...it's only for cooking & hot water and we don't use enough to qualify for any sort of volume rate. In fact, the main reason we switched providers is because the old one started charging us a tank rental fee.
 
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Did you see proof that you actually did sign up for that $420 charge?
No. I'd been with them so long that I can't even find the contract. I just looked it up on their website and it is there under Terms and Conditions.
 
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I have natural gas in my home and propane in my workshop. I keep the workshop at 45degrees when not in use so I use very little gas. I haven't even filled it in the last 2 years but needed a fill. I checked the price and found that the price that I would be paying was about $1.50 more per gallon than any of the competitors so I switched. The new company disconnected the old tank and hooked up the new one. There was maybe 30 gallons in the old tank and I calculated that it would cost me more to configure a flexible hose and fittings to use it up from the place they dropped it so was willing to eat the cost. I just called to have the old tank picked up and they informed me that when I signed up I had agreed to a $420 pickup charge to remove it from my property. If I had known this I would have been better off just paying the higher rate at the pace of consumption I have. I guess I should have read the lengthy contract much closer.
Why can't you run natural gas to the shop? Just curious. I'm sure you have a good reason.
 
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I just looked it up on their website and it is there under Terms and Conditions.
It's there now for current customers signing up but was it there when you signed up. I don't trust any company as far as I can throw them, I'd ask for proof if not just for the principal.
 
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What about returning it yourself? Seems like I heard that somewhere recently.
 
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It's there now for current customers signing up but was it there when you signed up. I don't trust any company as far as I can throw them, I'd ask for proof if not just for the principal.
Very good point right here!! Do a show me that contract where I signed and and see what they say. If they don’t then just do whatever you will with a new setup and tell them their tank is going to be awaiting them coming and taking it. Don’t be surprised if they just forget to indefinitely.
That’s the headache of dealing with propane companies. They’re just like welding outfits. They try to control you through the tanks and then doing so we often try to rob you blind every way they can. That’s why I use my own tanks . If you don’t use massive quantities of it and you’ve got a truck, you can often just use a double manifold in a couple of hundred boundaries and switch them out. I’ve been doing it about 35 years.
 
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Many(40) years ago I was going to switch providers; called the old company and they mentioned a removal fee. I said show me the contract i signed. A few days later they called to say they couldn't find it. I replied GREAT! Now the tank is mine, since I didn't sign a contract. Two days later they called to say they found the signed contract, and it did not mention a removal fee; "we will be there next xxxday to pick it up".
The current provider leased me a 1,000G tank. Several years ago they called to tell me, due to my useage they are coming to remove the 1,000G and and set a 500G tank. I told the woman on the phone "if you come to get the big tank, don't bother to bring a replacement". I still have the 1,000 tank.
 
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Why can't you run natural gas to the shop? Just curious. I'm sure you have a good reason.
The gas line would have to go several hundred feet and turn several 90 degree angles to avoid a septic field, house, driveways and multiple unmarked utilities. If it wasn't for this charge it really is a minimal cost to heat the shop. When I'm doing bigger projects I use the wood stove.
 
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I just called to have the old tank picked up and they informed me that when I signed up I had agreed to a $420 pickup charge to remove it from my property.
I'd ask them to prove it, as was previously mentioned by another.

The person on the phone is generally just there for sales and scheduling and not technical or business savvy.

I just had a new 1000 gal. tank buried at my place and the information I got over the phone verses what the installers did wasn't even close.
 
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I've always liked it when suppliers change the terms on leased products and devices and then try to buff and push there way around by stating that you agreed to their new terms when you had never done so.
In a similar vein I had several 100 pound cylinders (propane) delivered one fall for a building project, no contract of any kind. We did several cylinder exchanges as the project was going on, then it fell apart as the contractor defaulted. Contacted them to return all the cylinders and was expecting a refund on the still filled ones. They said no refund we will just pick them up, I said I paid for the propane and that they would not be getting it back for free. They put up a fuss and made several threatening calls and letters. As I used up the gas I'd place the cylinder out were it was accessible and call them to pickup the empties. When it got down to just 3 still filled they got real pissey. And I told them when they were empty I'd call and till then stay off the property, they tried to tell me I couldn't do so, Ha. When I called them they didn't come get the empties and after a while they threaten to take me to court for the cylinders and "back rent" per their contract. When they couldn't find and produce a signed contract it got real quite on their end.

That was one reason when we went with propane for new stove I wasn't about to lease or rent a tank as well as locking myself into a single supplier. As the intent was to have a larger supply than just a stove would need I wanted a 1000 gallon tank. I was amazed at how difficult it was to buy a tank. Almost all the vendors wanted to do the complete install including all the piping and didn't want to discuss selling a tank. Because I had a specific install I wanted done for any future uses it was a nightmare.
I ended up hiring a plumber to help me install a 5 valve manifold in the crawl space and run a 1 inch black iron pipe outside to a regulator position, then I took an empty 100 pounder to town and had it filled and brought it back. When we installed the new stove we used one of the valves and connected the 100 pounder up to the system which had been pressure tested, bubble checked and all.
Once that was done it was much different.
As it wasn't a "new" install but just a tank replacement :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Once I finally located a local tank supplier that would sell a tank.
With it being a thousand gallon tank we decided (my wife) not to locate were the 100 pounder was but about 50 feet away. The tank company wanted to run the line from the tank to the connection, so I dug a ditch for them and also laid a 4" drain tile in it for them to snake there flex line through. So many rocks that I was quite leery of direct burying the flex line. So they brought the tank, set it, installed the 10 PSI regulator, ran the flex line and installed a new single stage regulator at the piping pipe in place of my two-stage. And they had a truck come up the same day and fill the tank.
So now we have a 1000 gallon tank feeding a kitchen stove and also a recently install gas fireplace insert. replacing my old coal burning insert. With spare ports and valves in case I end up installing a gas water heater or boiler if my oil fired one dies.
 
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I've been happy with my propane supplier. I've had it for 2 years. I wanted to buy a tank and burry it, but the tank would have been something like $6,000-$7,000 dollars. Rental for an above ground tank is something like $60 annually. I opted for that route. I paid $1.65 per gal on my last fill up a few months ago. I use propane on my cooktop, fireplace, and tankless water heater. I have a 250 gal tank and fill it about every 7-8 months so far. I usually call when it gets just under 30% and they get there within the week to fill.
 
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Only three different propane companies service the area of the state where I live. All three have firm policies that they WILL NOT fill a tank that is not owned by them.

That's what I found out when I was considering buying my own propane tank.
 
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I don't have propane other than the 20lb for my bbq and the 30 I keep for my generator. It would make me nervous actually having propane in the house...I know but be that as it may, it does :).
Question, if you own the tank, doesn't it have to be tested every so many years, the same as a portable tank or not?
 
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I don't have propane other than the 20lb for my bbq and the 30 I keep for my generator. It would make me nervous actually having propane in the house...I know but be that as it may, it does :).
Question, if you own the tank, doesn't it have to be tested every so many years, the same as a portable tank or not?
Most people keep the tanks outside.
 
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I don't have propane other than the 20lb for my bbq and the 30 I keep for my generator. It would make me nervous actually having propane in the house...I know but be that as it may, it does :).
Question, if you own the tank, doesn't it have to be tested every so many years, the same as a portable tank or not?
Small tanks are DOT and have 12 initial year certification, followed by 10/7/5 recertification requirements, depending on the method.

Large(r) propane tanks are ASME certified (rather than just DOT), and while they don't have a specific recertification time limit, they must be visually inspected at every fill. Usually heavier gauge steel is used for the tanks and they not designed to be moved with propane inside, exempting them from DOT regulations.

All the best,

Peter
 
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Question, if you own the tank, doesn't it have to be tested every so many years, the same as a portable tank or not?

None of my big outside bulk propane tanks have ever been "tested" in the many years I've had them so I'd say not.
 

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