Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions?

/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #21  
And to the OP and anyone else planning similar stuff -

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Think now of getting 2 long containers and building like the above (although I would have spaced them farther apart).

Before I lucked into my present "shop" situation in late 2011 I had a 15 foot by 15 foot workshop. I was planning on putting up a structure based on two 40 foot tall containers with maybe one across the back separating them, and 40 or 60 foot trusses across the top. Giving me a 40x40 "shop" area with 2 large storage containers that could easily be secured.
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We did similar to that on construction sites where we had plenty of containers for tool rooms and other storage. Not as elaborate, we didn't put shed on the sides in most cases, just put raised walls at the inside edge of the container so as to make the roof high enough to get cherry pickers under it (about 18 feet tall) then ordered pre-formed trusses at least 40 feet wide to make a gabled roof. We sometimes used the 40x40 area between the containers as a mini-fabrication shop with the containers on each side used to store pipe fittings and shop tools. That photo looks very neat and provides some good water-proof and rat proof storage. On a good level surface, one could pour a concrete floor between them and pour it right up to the steel floor beam on the containers to make it weather proof and have a good shop surface to work on. I had considered doing just that when I built my shop but my bid for a stick built, turn key 30x52 was so cheap that I just went with onsite construction from the ground up.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #22  
I have been living with a similar situation for 7+ years, my property is 50 miles from where I live. Driving 100 miles round trip is a pain made worse by having to pull a tractor, I leave mine at the property. Buy an inland marine policy to cover your tractor and attachments and don't worry about it. Statistically I image you would be taking more risk with both the tractor and yourself towing it all the time as opposed to it being stolen. You're going to want a storage shed at some point anyway so might as well get it done.

Good Luck with your decision.
 
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/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions?
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#23  
We work too hard to have some thief come and steal our stuff. Drugs are everywhere and the addicts addicted to them and most will steal anything to get high.
I hear that! Thieves really chap my hide. Hence my dilemma with this concept... If only everyone was good.

My farm is only 6 miles from where I store my tractor but found that I didn't use my tractor as much as I wanted to because of the hassle of getting it to and from the farm, decided to get a shipping container.
Now if I have an hour of tractor work I don't waste that much time getting it there and back, have the tractor insured and still worry about theft but am getting a lot more use out of tractor.
The only thing I keep in container is the tractor and implements, all tools go back to town with me.
This is what I am imagining will happen with me too. I see possible big benefits there, but I might be overestimating my ability to get out there and work.

Been through the same thing, and I transported the tractor every time I needed it. I got good at loading/unloading. Often, I'd load up the night before so in the morning, I could just head out.
I too am getting close to being pretty efficient. Having an HOA here requires me to hide the implements behind the smallish tractor shed, and then the trailer is hidden back across the other side of the yard and is in an area that requires the tractor to move it... Loading the night before is the way to go for sure.

This would get my vote. It only takes one theft/vandalism incident at the remote property to wipe out a lot of your hard work and efforts to have a nice tractor and equipment to go with it. Even with insurance to cover it, which is really just a bandaid for the physical theft/damage, but it won't help the emotional aspect of it too much.

If you do decide to leave it stored on the remote property, go ahead and prepare yourself mentally that at some point it will get stolen or vandalized, and when/if it really does happen, then it won't be such a killjoy.
Good input. Things like options, toolboxes, specialty grapples, 3rd function valves, etc... can be a bit of a pain to replace for sure.

By chance do you have a neighbor who would let you store the storage container on their property near their buildings or such. You might could have customer latch assembly to offer protection for the lock itself from a grinder.
Possibly have an on site option with neighbors and I need to explore this one more. I have great neighbors on both sides. Both quiet and honest family guys who have helped me out in a bind when I have been out there. I've even left my tractor, equipment, and trailer on their properties from time to time when needing to do multi day jobs. I just hate imposing on folks and prefer to not be a nuisance. I think if they had a hundred plus acres I would work this angle harder, but at 20 acres+/- I may stick to the "borrow a parking spot for a few days" strategy from time to time.

Well, you have to make the drive out there and back, regardless, so you're going to spend time driving no matter which place you store the tractor. So you're real time spender is loading/unloading twice. Can you become more efficient in that task? Can you leave some things on the trailer? It takes me about 10 minutes to load/unload and hook up/drop the trailer. So that 20 minutes per day is time well spent for me. As mentioned, someone that's determined can steal anything quickly. We own remote property (only 9 miles away) and I used to leave my IH2500b out there year round. And the battery was stolen. And the lights were stolen. And animals chewed it up, etc... but it was basically not worth someone going to prison over, so they never stole the tractor itself. Anyhow, I'd never leave my current tractor out there unless I had a building or container to store it in with active burglar alarm system over cell phone with battery backup power.
Good thoughts. I am getting better at loading and unloading, but in addition to getting the tractor in a shed out back and hiding implements behind that, I then need to hide the trailer back on the other side of the lot before calling it a day. (To avoid getting a letter from the HOA.) I have mastered the tractor and implements. Once the trailer is pulled out onto the drive, I can go back and hook up a 6' cutter, then load my bucket inside the grapple and finally use the lip of the grapple to grab and hook the box blade. Then the whole shooting match goes on and off the trailer at the same time. If this place didn't always have to be so stealthy for HOA requirements, I could have a quicker load and unload scenario. Also - with an equalizer hitch I have another couple/few minutes there getting stuff prepped. I do have nice organized totes for chains, binders, hitch, pins, etc... now and it is getting better.

Get a container. It's not hard to modify the padlock area's (4 of them if you desire) so that a grinder is unable to reach the lock. Then if your really worried, wire in an additional battery switch or pull the ground wire and keep that with you.
Definitely on my to do list if getting a container or even smaller building.

Why do you unload when you bring it home? I'd only unload if I knew I was not going to use for a few weeks. Otherwise throw a tarp over it and be ready to roll.

Heck in Houston you could probably put a 20' on your trailer, or get a hi-cube 40' for less than $2,500 delivered.
Per the above comments - I would be getting a letter from the community manager about my redneck tendencies if I left the tractor and gear loaded on the trailer. :cool: I am looking into the containers as well. Lots of them nearby and you can get well used ones closeby for the price you note, or really sharp "one trippers" for about $4,400 bucks. Those ones are like new and a nice, neutral, light gray color.


Its also quite beneficial to be on first name bases with the County Sheriff & State Police. They will stop by and check in with me several time a year. It is known & seen by my neighbors that the police visit occasionally. Word spreads. Every little bit helps.
Completely agree. I try to be nice to those folks and have also gotten to know the local forester who manages the big timber tracts behind us and all around that area. I tell him to use my place for access into the forest anytime he needs a shortcut in hopes that anything strange looking will get me a phone call from him.

If you store it, unless you can afford a new one, PLEASE INSURE IT. People will steal the color out of your eyes if they get a chance.
Indeed. Having appropriate insurance on replaceable stuff, and good strong safes for the irreplaceables lets a guy sleep a little better while out of town. Also affords some protection and compensation when fires hit too...

Build any outbuilding twice as big as you think you will need.

As I said, I elected to just go ahead and build my shop in the spot chosen since I needed the storage anyway. That was the best $30K I ever spent.

Costs continue to rise for building materials so anything that you can afford to build now is going to be cheaper than it will be several years into the future.
Wisdom right there. The 30K garage option is the 2nd order issue I am also struggling with now. For $5,000+/- I could get the temp tractor storage solution, but for $30-$40k we could dig a well and get septic in place as well as a smaller shop with a bathroom and AC.... That would make working and playing out there much nicer now wouldn't it?!?! (Boy y'all sure know how to spend a guy's money...) :D


And to the OP and anyone else planning similar stuff -

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I need this right now... Really like that use of containers.

I had considered doing just that when I built my shop but my bid for a stick built, turn key 30x52 was so cheap that I just went with onsite construction from the ground up.
I have found one place that will put up an enclosed carport type structure with doors and a window, (30' x 30') for $10k. Would have dirt floors and no plumbing, but might be a place to get out of the rain or sun. Perhaps not as secure as a container though...

I have been living with a similar situation for 7+ years, my property is 50 miles from where I live. Driving 100 miles round trip is a pain made worse by having to pull a tractor, I leave mine at the property. Buy an inland marine policy to cover your tractor and attachments and don't worry about it. Statistically I image you would be taking more risk with both the tractor and yourself towing it all the time as opposed to it being stolen. You're going to want a storage shed at some point anyway so might as well get it done.

Good Luck with your decision.
I think you are spot on from a liability standpoint. Hauling is relatively safe in my opinion, but there is almost always at least one accident on the road heading up or down. Having 8,000#s of tractor, trailer and gear crunching me or someone else would be a nice variable to eliminate.

THANK YOU ALL for your input. I am glad to see that my internal back and forth is not dissimilar to the thoughts presented here. Definitely can chew on this a bit more and will start putting some $$$ aside for future build while fine tuning my pit stop load/unloads. Below is a shot of my "one man band" loading set up with all the main gear I use save for hauling chains, binders, straps, tools and grease/lube tote. I think I might consider a container or small outbuilding/container to leave the machine and some tools/grease, etc.. when doing work over periods of days or weeks, but then haul the machine back to town if I need to travel out of the country or won't be able to run the tractor for more than a few weeks for whatever reason... Thanks again everyone!

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/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #24  
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THANK YOU ALL for your input. I am glad to see that my internal back and forth is not dissimilar to the thoughts presented here. Definitely can chew on this a bit more and will start putting some $$$ aside for future build while fine tuning my pit stop load/unloads. Below is a shot of my "one man band" loading set up with all the main gear I use save for hauling chains, binders, straps, tools and grease/lube tote. I think I might consider a container or small outbuilding/container to leave the machine and some tools/grease, etc.. when doing work over periods of days or weeks, but then haul the machine back to town if I need to travel out of the country or won't be able to run the tractor for more than a few weeks for whatever reason... Thanks again everyone!

Thanks for the feedback, I didn't realize you had a strict HOA, I thought you lived in Texas.

And that one picture of loading won't do! Make a video :)
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #25  
But your opening post said "and there are two acres here where I use the tractor from time to time, but it's usually because I'm lazy. The machine probably should live up on site..."

So do you use it "from time to time" at home or "several times each week" at home .. . . Because those two statements are not the same to most people ?

I never said that. The original poster said that. You done got us mixed up! :)
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions?
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Thanks for the feedback, I didn't realize you had a strict HOA, I thought you lived in Texas.

And that one picture of loading won't do! Make a video :)

Ha! Now you're really testing my technological capabilities. I will indeed try to make a video one of these days.

As to HOAs, most of the state is unnzoned and unplanned which is a blessing and a curse in some instances. Some of these suburban communities can go downhill really fast when people don't have respect for their homes and property. We chose this place in a community with an HOA in order to keep jerks with tractors and trailers from moving in and bothering us with their redneck antics and games! :D So far they haven't figured out I'm not one of them...
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions?
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I didn't know Mahindra made Swiss Army knives! :laughing:

LOL! This little beast is indeed my Swiss Army Knife. The real lynch pin holding it all together is a 60" EA Wicked Grapple. It has cut outs in the grapple lid that make this funky setup work. (They catch the top of the upper link box-blade bracket, and it clamps down perfectly around bucket) That's a heavy box blade hanging out there, but it's no problem for the machine as long as the cutter is on. I just need a place for a toothpick now...

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/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #29  
Hi Snowback,

Everyone's situation is a little different and it looks like you are getting lots of opinions of good value. I think if it were me, I would go the container route, try to thief proof it as much as possible and get insurance! If insurance isn't possible or too expensive, then I wouldn't do it.

Eliminating the hassle of trailering saves you time and also reduces risk of something going wrong on the road that could be another headache or liability. I know I would jump in the truck or car much more often if I didn't have to mess with the loading/unloading and hauling. Nice thing about getting a container is that if your needs change, you can probably recoup your outlay if you don't need it anymore.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #30  
LOL! This little beast is indeed my Swiss Army Knife. The real lynch pin holding it all together is a 60" EA Wicked Grapple. It has cut outs in the grapple lid that make this funky setup work. (They catch the top of the upper link box-blade bracket, and it clamps down perfectly around bucket) That's a heavy box blade hanging out there, but it's no problem for the machine as long as the cutter is on. I just need a place for a toothpick now...

Here's a picture of my little Swiss Army knife...
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/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #32  
I have been living with a similar situation for 7+ years, my property is 50 miles from where I live. Driving 100 miles round trip is a pain made worse by having to pull a tractor, I leave mine at the property. Buy an inland marine policy to cover your tractor and attachments and don't worry about it. Statistically I image you would be taking more risk with both the tractor and yourself towing it all the time as opposed to it being stolen. You're going to want a storage shed at some point anyway so might as well get it done.

Good Luck with your decision.

^^THIS. I left my tractor and equipment at my property which was 30 miles from my home for about a year. Entrance was gated, equipment was out of sight. I carried an inland marine policy which I purchased from my car / home insurance provider. It was about 250 bucks per year. Covered trailer, tractor, equipment.

My take on this is - people are protected with security measures and no expense is too much or too much trouble to keep my family safe. Things are just... things. They are easily replaceable. If things get stolen, they get replaced with the proceeds from insurance. Kind of a pain, but really no emotion attached to that.

Minor theft and vandalism are probably your bigger risks. Damage / theft in the 200 to 1000 dollar realm. This is too small to turn into insurance but big enough to make a dent in the monthly budget (and aggravating).

Get an enclosed building or container and an inland marine policy. And get some buddies out there to shoot clays about once per quarter. All those booms can be a good deterrent IMO.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #33  
My father and I have had this some what same situation. They have their main home in Ga and Farm in NC. The newest and most reliable tractor is a JD 3005 and a finishing mower and 4ft rotary mower to accompany it. The main issue is moving the equipment and trailering from GA to NC which is not the most convenient trip. At the current moment my father and I just let the equipment that we are not constantly using (Case IH 495, 5ft rotary mower, and some other pto equipment) just sitting at the farm. I understand this isn't the best set up however our neighbor is good about watching our stuff and calling if any thing is up. However all of this is about to change. I saw where you said permanent location is out of the question, however in our case the design is already set up or barns, outbuilding, etc. So within about 3 weeks we hope to build a barn that will relinquish our neighbor of watch and we will be able to lock up the implements and all the 13 tractors. So I guess that I am saying all of this that having a shipping container or 2 will be great since they are movable, lockable, and can store a lot of things especially if organized efficiently. Either way...good luck in your endeavors.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #34  
Just realize tractor in a barn can still be stolen...

If you must store a tractor away from you do install a simple switch they will not find easy or understand it is wired to prevent it cranking. Most people want to drive them off the land and not have to winch them onto a trailer or such.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #35  
When I would leave our IH2500b on our property, I'd always take the battery with me and I'd also take the distributor from under the cap. One night the county police called me to tell me the people across the street from the property called the police to report my tractor's lights were on late at night and maybe I was dead under the tractor, please check. So the police went out there and there were no lights on and no battery in the tractor. Hmmm..... best guess was there was a vehicle parked next to the tractor with someone trying to steal it and they left before the police came. :rolleyes:
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #36  
I live 115 miles from my land. The tractor stays there. I have had pictures from multiple game cams on the land and along the drive that showed strangers checking out the tractor, even 400 yds from the road, thru heavy woods. Right now, logging is taking place, and there gate is down..and the trees are cut along the road, so getting onto the property would be easy. I have insurance....I would still blow a gasket if someone messed with my tractor or excavator, but it is a better option than nothing. I have insurance on my implements as well. There are a dozen hand tools up there that are not insured, as well as a canoe, etc. Some things, you just have to take a risk with. I don't have a trailor, and if I had one stout enough to haul my tractor, I'd need a new truck to do it. I do have multiple game cameras up there and have been thinking about installing one that has 3G wireless. Leaving the goodies out of sight and reach is not easy to do.
 
/ Property out of town - Haul your tractor, or build storage - opinions? #37  
Sometimes hard to get any type of insurance on stuff if it's on property that you don't live on. There has been at least one discussion on this forum about a guy that used a on site container to store his tractor, but I don't know what it was under. I remember something about him putting in a shelf type storage above his FEL bucket to give him more room for his other stuff...

Good point about the insurance, but it works both ways.

I have a second home about 200 miles from my "main" home. I also have a few machines that I only use at the second home. My "home" has a garage. My 2nd home only had a shed. While the shed door has a lock, it is far less secure than my (occupied) main residence garage.

I spoke with my insurance agent, figuring it would be much less expensive to insure things if they were locked in my main home's garage. It involved my having to trailer things back and forth all the time, which I wasn't happy about.

Good thing I asked. Leaving an ATV or tractor in a shed at the unattended 2nd home was about 25% of the cost. I kept telling the agent "but no one is there." Didn't matter.

YMMV depending on location and other factors. The point is to ask the agent - you may find that the counter-intuitive option is much less expensive.
 

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