Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[BnRidge]

So no lights, no heat, no hot water, no cooking for those all-electric homes. Not much fun in the middle of the winter when sunset occurs at 5 pm; the state has had to open "warming centers" for the people affected.

The wise thing to do would be to have some sort of backup regardless of primary heat or power source. Here we have wood heat, gas, electric, backup gen, fireplace, take your pick. A few years ago my daughter was in Norway. The airbb places she stayed all had electric heat, and a wood stove. For when it's -40f, and if the power went out, it would be a national emergency without backup.

 

[grsthegreat]

Okay, just did some quick research. I'm seeing one quote for 35%, which is more than I had suspected. I'd believe that another source may be as high as 50%, although I didn't see it myself, there's always a lot of error and bias in these estimates.

I also pulled up the circuit utilization of our all-electric range, and I see we put 17 - 25 kWh on that circuit every month. My wife cooks on that stove/oven at least 6 dinners per week, as well as occasional lunches. Our household usage is about 3000 kWh per month, so the electric range makes up about 0.7% of our household usage. Our primary heat is wood and oil, so the fraction would be smaller if we were the more typical heatpump household.

Based on these numbers, we'd expect the increased hit to the grid would be less than 0.35 x .007 = 0.25% of current usage, if every owner of a gas stove instantly threw theirs in the garbage, and switched to an electric range. Not a lot, even if it's mostly at peak hours.

Someone please check my math on this, as it seems low to me. I honestly expected the numbers to be bigger than that.

Heres the numbers from a electric stove manufacturer

 

[Skagit]

We're off grid in Washington State so this would effectively ban our house and we would have to sell and move. There's no realistic way to make and store enough solar energy to do any of this. I'm in the process of upgrading our solar system and just the components so far is $26k. That's with propane/wood heat, propane oven, propane hot water heater, and a generator to cover rainy/cloudy days which are common here. It's not even close to being able to run any of that stuff, much less an electric car eventually.

I have a hard time believing they would just ban gas ranges as well, didn't California ban the sale of all gas appliances recently? Goes into effect in 2030 or something IIRC...

 

[WinterDeere]

Leaded gas is NOT banned, it is till being used. Don`t spread false information.

You sure about that?

Leaded Gasoline Finally Banned Worldwide After Last Country Uses Up Its Supply

Leaded gas was outlawed on U.S. roads in 1996.

www.thedrive.com

 

[MossRoad]

If we build a new home, we'll be putting in hot water radiant heat in the floors. One of the reasons is that you can heat water with so many different sources: gas, propane, oil, wood, electric, etc.

A similar thing comes to mind when generating electricity. You can do it with gas, oil, coal, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.

In the big picture, all electric house wouldn't be that bad. The only downside being if the power goes out, and I can run a generator if that happens. (if fuel is available).

 

[MossRoad]

You sure about that?

Leaded Gasoline Finally Banned Worldwide After Last Country Uses Up Its Supply

Leaded gas was outlawed on U.S. roads in 1996.

www.thedrive.com

He's gonna argue with you about aviation fuel 100LL.

 

[MossRoad]

He's gonna argue with you about aviation fuel 100LL.

Which is actively being pursued for elimination, as it's the primary cause of lead pollution in the U.S. now.

 

[Eagle1]

Still a lot of lead additives for sale catering to the classic cars market.

 

[2manyrocks]

If we build a new home, we'll be putting in hot water radiant heat in the floors. One of the reasons is that you can heat water with so many different sources: gas, propane, oil, wood, electric, etc.

A similar thing comes to mind when generating electricity. You can do it with gas, oil, coal, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.

In the big picture, all electric house wouldn't be that bad. The only downside being if the power goes out, and I can run a generator if that happens. (if fuel is available).

My recollection is reading that the Romans built floors with flue ways to conduct heat generated by burning wood.

 

[MossRoad]

Still a lot of lead additives for sale catering to the classic cars market.

Yep, but you can't buy leaded road fuel in the U.S. as far as I know.