Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[Hay Dude]

Nobody has mentioned if it’s a good idea or what is actually happening when your stove burns propane or natural gas inside a closed room.
“It was good enough for pappy, so it’s good enough for me!”

“Meh…we’re only poisoning ourselves a little bit…a little bit of odorless, carbon monoxide won’t hurt anyone. …or the increased carbon dioxide”

…I’ll stay away from the discussions about whether the government should ban dangerous products…

…let’s just stick to the facts about burning propane and NG indoors. In possibly and sometimes vented conditions, but often not. A good idea or no?

I guess it comes down to education, right? If we keep getting dumbed down by poorly performing public schools, uninterested in teaching our Yutes anything related to common sense, you get people burning NG or propane indoors without ventilation. lol

I mean how stupid can ya get?

We get rid of NG in homes & restaurants instead of simply ensuring proper ventilation? Yeah um OK, makes sense to me.

Instead of costing society billions more to change to all electric, let’s teach people about the mysterious, often overlooked concept of ventilation. No need to put more people on our already failing electric grid.

 

[Hay Dude]

I wish our Canadian government would improve building construction standards and mandate energy efficient appliances be available in stores.

It's near impossible to buy energy efficient stuff here compared to the US and it's more than twice the price. Want a new energy efficient furnace? Why do you want that? We only sell the equivalent of a 4WD 10-passenger SUV that gets 14 gallons per mile fuel economy...why would you want a Prius?

Hah! Watch what you wish for. You just might get it shoved down your throat. And guess who’s paying for it? YOU.

 

[mikester]

Hah! Watch what you wish for. You just might get it shoved down your throat. And guess who’s paying for it? YOU.

You mean like covid restrictions?

 

[Hay Dude]

You mean like covid restrictions?

Like any restrictions….
Just repeat the mantra: Education,,,, not regulation.

 

[scootr]

These are the same people who used tax dollars to distributed free needles and crack pipes to homeless people are now wanting to ban NG use for our safety. WTactualF!? Obviously they didn't give all the crack pipes away

 

[2manyrocks]

I suspect the desire to ban NG use is due to wanting to stop the use of all fossil fuels to prevent global warming but the pretense being used is that burning NG causes indoor pollution harmful to children.

In the name of public safety, they should ban all vehicles because of the number of children killed in car accidents. And bicycles, too along with water because so many children drown in water.

 

[WinterDeere]

I asked my son in law's father how he heats his home in upstate New York. We had a discussion about geothermal. He said 2 feet down is rock ledge and the cost to blast and install for geothermal would not be worth any cost savings.

Around here, we have deep sand, so it wouldn't be a problem.

I think I'm the only home in my neighborhood without geothermal heating and air conditioning, as our house is much older than the rest. There was one other hold-out from the mid-1980's, but he upgraded to geothermal about 5 years ago, and I was amazed at how inexpensive it really was. I guess the costs have really come down.

Despite being larger properties, I think all of the systems in this neighborhood are the deep well variety. There would be no issue with the shallow field type either, we're each on several acres, so there must be some cost advantage to going deep well on an existing property. These are larger homes (6000 - 13,000 sq.ft.), so each system has several deep wells.

But I do wonder what having a hundred million suburbanites on 1/4 or 1/2 acre lots, each with several deep wells for geothermal, will ultimately do to our ground water. Could the increased temperature caused by pumping all of that summer heat into the aquafers lead to undesirable biology? Could the subsequent cooling of the aquafer caused by pulling so much heat from it during the winter cause undesirable geological activity, due to thermal cycling?

One of the things that frustrates so many is industry and media so often pretending the next new solution, whatever it is, is going to be the answer to all our woes. "Oh, no... it's panacea, it doesn't create any new problems, only fixes the old ones." Short of a mass extinction event, there's nothing we can do that doesn't have impact on the environment in which we live. All we can do is push that impact around to the direction that hurts us least.

Many here have already brought up diversification, and that's surely part of the solution. Not just for reliability and financial reasons, but in terms of distributing the negative impacts of any one technology.

 

[kenmac]

I really need my government to protect me from using my gas range !

 

[scootr]

I suspect the desire to ban NG use is due to wanting to stop the use of all fossil fuels to prevent global warming but the pretense being used is that burning NG causes indoor pollution harmful to children.

In the name of public safety, they should ban all vehicles because of the number of children killed in car accidents. And bicycles, too along with water because so many children drown in water.

Make it illeagal to contain water in anything larger than 1 gal jug so children cant drown. The ban all plastic products and make farting illegal. When my dog farts you can't get a breath of air anywhere near him.

 

[Snobdds]

If I'm getting the logic right here...if one administration can ban gas stoves. Why can't the next one ban electric cars?

Is there any difference in policy here, outside of your favorite energy source being promoted administratively?