Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[5030]

Personally, I expect the USA becoming supplier for former Russian gas customers will increase the cost and make the supply more hit and miss in high demand periods will have a greater impact then rules and regulations. Low gas line pressures have been reported in some parts this year or last year.

It is a gamble but I'm betting on the three-phase power line running through my yard to been my best bet for the next 20 to 30 years for our energy needs. At this point in life, availability of heat and cooling is a priority over its cost. But as electricity approaches zero cost and in decades to come, I do not see how fossil fuels can compete.

You sure come up with some hair brained ideas.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

What makes you think electricity become cheaper in the decades to come ? I think this statement is gibberish the infrastructures are getting outdated, the populations don't want nuclear, green energy is unreliable and super expensive and the demand will keep increasing so explain to me how it can ever become cheaper ??

Canada as one if not the biggest known natural gas deposit but they refuse to exploit it once that changes, we won't have supply problems.

Research mainly!

 

[RustyA]

All I know is during a three day snow in with trees blocking the roads and taking power out it sure was nice to fire up propane stove and perk a pot of coffee. My catalyst wood stove helped keep the pipes from freezing until roads were cleared of trees and power came back on.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Research mainly!

I know I can find research's saying the exact opposite. Unless your research stats it's going to be free because it will be tax funded which mean it's still not free...

 

[tacticalturnip]

It's neat how all these little nudges from the Federal government push us towards more electrical use, more dependence on our grid.

Putting all our eggs in one basket.

I, for one, enjoy being able to cook when the power is out, generator or not.

 

[LouNY]

It's coming and already here in places. Banning gas appliances and heating units with an inadequate infrastructure to support the proposed substitute. Typical ill advised solution to a non existing problem.

 

[WinterDeere]

Gale is right, that our electric costs are way down right now, by comparison to what our parents and grandparents paid. Electric rates have not climbed nearly as fast as median salary, cost of living, or any other metric you'd like to use for comparison. Eight seconds on Google will show you that median household income has increased almost 4x since 1980, but average US electric rates are only up 2.5x, and the divergence is worse the farther you go back.

But rate hikes are happening now. Just look at what's been happening in much of New England. While the historic trend is downward, WRT median salary or cost of living, I don't believe it's going to continue to trend toward zero.

But more than cost, the thing that bothers many is the dependency on a utility. Firewood, heating oil, propane... these can all be easily stocked at home. A storm or simple utility management F'up doesn't interrupt those services and leave you cold and helpless, like loss of your electric power.

With the conversion to this "all electric future" seeming inevitable, it might be wise to steer some investment money toward companies aiming to resolve this issues, like those making whole-house generator and battery systems. There is no doubt in my mind that, as people convert ICE's and oil-fired boilers to EV's and heat pumps, that there will be more demand for backup electric power systems. If I'm dependent on electric for heating, you'd damn well better believe I'm going to have a whole-house generator sitting outside and plumbed into a propane tank buried in the back yard, so that I'm not one of those left out in the cold when the utility goes down.

 

[2manyrocks]

The CPSC is looking at gas stoves because of studies that say things like this: Our meta-analyses suggest that children living in a home with gas cooking have a 42% increased risk of having current asthma, a 24% increased risk of lifetime asthma and an overall 32% increased risk of having current and lifetime asthma; per 15 ppb increase in indoor NO2 level, children have a 15% increased risk of having current wheeze. Meta-analysis of the effects of indoor nitrogen dioxide and gas cooking on asthma and wheeze in children

I have to wonder if they will also look into unvented gas heaters. I don't know if it is still the case, but the user manual for some of them used to say you needed to open a window when they were operating.

 

[repete]

I can see it now. All of these homes with less than 200 amp services will get nailed to bring in more power as they cook with electricity and plug in their multiple cars and the list goes on. In Washington State they need not require you to buy an electric stove, they will simply make it illegal to sell a gas one thereby phasing out gas appliances. Same way it was done here by saying in Washington State you may not sell an internal combustion car after 2030. Technically they will not ban you from buying what you want, they will simply make it illegal to sell it to you.

 

[ruffdog]

The CPSC is looking at gas stoves because of studies that say things like this: Our meta-analyses suggest that children living in a home with gas cooking have a 42% increased risk of having current asthma, a 24% increased risk of lifetime asthma and an overall 32% increased risk of having current and lifetime asthma; per 15 ppb increase in indoor NO2 level, children have a 15% increased risk of having current wheeze. Meta-analysis of the effects of indoor nitrogen dioxide and gas cooking on asthma and wheeze in children

I have to wonder if they will also look into unvented gas heaters. I don't know if it is still the case, but the user manual for some of them used to say you needed to open a window when they were operating.

I did see something on this 6 months ago on TV. Being that new houses are much tighter, this issue is becoming more important. I do like cooking on gas but my house will have electric.