Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[cqaigy2]

The CPSC is looking at gas stoves because of studies that say things like this: Our meta-analyses suggest that children living in a home with gas cooking have a 42% increased risk of having current asthma, a 24% increased risk of lifetime asthma and an overall 32% increased risk of having current and lifetime asthma; per 15 ppb increase in indoor NO2 level, children have a 15% increased risk of having current wheeze. Meta-analysis of the effects of indoor nitrogen dioxide and gas cooking on asthma and wheeze in children

I have to wonder if they will also look into unvented gas heaters. I don't know if it is still the case, but the user manual for some of them used to say you needed to open a window when they were operating.

Says right there how that was handled. Did you read it?

 

[cqaigy2]

I can see it now. All of these homes with less than 200 amp services will get nailed to bring in more power as they cook with electricity and plug in their multiple cars and the list goes on. In Washington State they need not require you to buy an electric stove, they will simply make it illegal to sell a gas one thereby phasing out gas appliances. Same way it was done here by saying in Washington State you may not sell an internal combustion car after 2030. Technically they will not ban you from buying what you want, they will simply make it illegal to sell it to you.

Because our electric power is much cheaper, will be how they get electric stoves in houses. BTW have you checked how much the cost of a decent gas stove is? I loved cooking on gas, but dang, it's expensive, especially if you have to put a propane container at your place. We lose power multiple times a year, is pretty standard here. Overhead lines, steep hillsides and lotsa big trees, not to mention the accessional motorist with self driving car smacking into a power pole. Between my propane generator and wood stove we keep pretty comfortable.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Did you see, gas stoves are racist. They disproportionately affect people of color they say.

I don’t see why it matters at all if the ban is immediate or over 100 years. It’s either right, or wrong. I care little if I’m around or not. My kids may be, grandkids… or, just humans I don’t know at all who I think should have the freedom to choose for themselves

 

[WinterDeere]

The CPSC is looking at gas stoves because of studies that say things like this: Our meta-analyses suggest that children living in a home with gas cooking have a 42% increased risk of having current asthma, a 24% increased risk of lifetime asthma and an overall 32% increased risk of having current and lifetime asthma...

The issue is tighter homes. Houses built when gas stoves first gained popularity were sieves, by comparison to what's built today.

I can see it now. All of these homes with less than 200 amp services will get nailed to bring in more power as they cook with electricity and plug in their multiple cars and the list goes on.

If you check the actual usage of electricity in your home, I think you're going to be very surprised in how little you really use. I have a very large home (8100 sq.ft.) with something like 16 tons of combined air conditioning (4 units), six refrigerators and/or freezers, more than 200 incadescent light bulbs, and a 150 foot well connected to a large irrigation system. With all that, it's still very rare to see my usage much above 100 amps.

That said, it's possible that an all-electric heating system in a house in a cold climate, without a propane or oil backup, and also sharing a service with something like an on-demand DHW heater... there you could find yourself needing a service upgrade. But who would be so stupid to do that on a 200A service, without expecting to upgrade? Stick with your electric tank, or better yet go to a ASHPWH, and avoid the 60 - 80A demand of that stupid on-demand system.

EV's will be programmed to charge overnight, esp. as off-peak rates again become more common, so they really won't be interfering with your daytime peak usage. Moreover, they'll help allow for the utilities to crank up the nukes and leverage other long-time constant options, which are presently set at very low overnight minimums, and do less of the daily peak throttling with coal.

There are problems with getting to the all-electric future, but your home's electric service is not likely one of them.

 

[WinterDeere]

Overhead lines, steep hillsides and lotsa big trees, not to mention the accessional motorist with self driving car smacking into a power pole.

I see this as one of our biggest failings. I had two good friends who's fathers were linemen, and spent a few overnights each week putting power lines and poles back in the air, after trees or motorists took them down. Stupid and vulnerable system, not to mention having to look at all these power lines. I really wish we could transition to a mostly-buried system.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Government is not a parent. They don’t need to dictate how we cook in our kitchens. If I listened to everything they told me was “best” for me… Id be vaccinated right now, and I’d be full of regret.

 

[Eagle1]

I like how the EV crowd always talks about charging at night, what about those working nights? How about all those delivery drivers bringing late night food? All the overnight maintenance runs and freight runs? When is peak power usage in most locales? I don't know but I bet it's not at noon....

 

[cqaigy2]

I like how the EV crowd always talks about charging at night, what about those working nights? How about all those delivery drivers bringing late night food? All the overnight maintenance runs and freight runs? When is peak power usage in most locales? I don't know but I bet it's not at noon....

Uhm, charge during the day? I'm come on, most people work and do stuff during normal hours, a subset of people don't, that subset will do what they've always done, just like the people that work during the day.

 

[kenmbz]

Soon to ban cooking, who knows what is given off from cooking food and how it has a detrimental affect on children.
Soon to ban windows to offset this effect.

My electric has gone up 30%+ in the last six years.

We lose power every month, sometimes for hours due to tree fall and bad driving. If I didn't have a generator I would be in big trouble in the winter.

 

[MossRoad]

Did you see, gas stoves are racist. They disproportionately affect people of color they say.

I don’t see why it matters at all if the ban is immediate or over 100 years. It’s either right, or wrong. I care little if I’m around or not. My kids may be, grandkids… or, just humans I don’t know at all who I think should have the freedom to choose for themselves

That's not something to laugh at. It's true. Poor people with gas stoves, no ventilation, using the gas stove for heat, things like that, increase health risks.