Comparison PT 1460 traction

[woodlandfarms]

Why do I get the feeling I misunderstood bulldog and it is just his mower he wants to sell. Oh well. Sorry BD.

 

[SpringHollow]

I am real impressed with Carl's latest modification - a PT1850 that levitates!!!

And yes, i know he was referring to removing the duals.

Ken

 

[cqaigy2]

I am real impressed with Carl's latest modification - a PT1850 that levitates!!!

And yes, i know he was referring to removing the duals.

Ken

Pictures, pictures!:laughing:

 

[J_J]

My PT1460 is not as good on slopes as advertised. I put bar tires on it, and it still struggles going up anything steeper than 20 degrees. Problem is that the unit is so darned heavy. The tires will slip, and the tram pump can't pull steep hills. The unit is a fantastic loader, but not such a good mower. It also plows snow pretty well.

Just curious if you tried going up hill using very little pedal.

If you push all the way, it will try and stall.

If you install a hyd gage in the wheel circuit, you can see the pressure developed by the wheel motors.

If you are spinning wheels, you probably need chains.

 

[ponytug]

Not to be forgotten, but if your oil gets too hot in the drive circuit, you won't be able to climb steep slopes. The symptom is wide open throttle, steep slope, and no uphill motion.

I suspect that all you need is chains. Adding chains for me ended up doing less (as in no) damage to the hillsides, unlike the slipping tires which tended to scrape the grass down to soil level.

YMMV of course.

All the best,

Peter

 

[American Bulldog]

Not to be forgotten, but if your oil gets too hot in the drive circuit, you won't be able to climb steep slopes. The symptom is wide open throttle, steep slope, and no uphill motion.

I suspect that all you need is chains. Adding chains for me ended up doing less (as in no) damage to the hillsides, unlike the slipping tires which tended to scrape the grass down to soil level.

YMMV of course.

All the best,

Peter

You are correct. Wide open throttle, pedal to the floor, full RPM, no motion. It only does this in forward. In reverse, it will stall the motor before it gives up. The problem occurs when the oil is warm, but not terribly hot. I was thinking of going to a thicker oil.

 

[ponytug]

If it only does this in one direction, you may want to check with Terry at the PT factory. It might be that the control on the drive pump is out of whack.

I think some owners have gone to heavier and/or synthetic oils, and may have opinions.

All the best,

Peter

You are correct. Wide open throttle, pedal to the floor, full RPM, no motion. It only does this in forward. In reverse, it will stall the motor before it gives up. The problem occurs when the oil is warm, but not terribly hot. I was thinking of going to a thicker oil.

 

[MossRoad]

I am considering purchasing a PT 1460 to perform tasks around our horse barn and apple orchard. The apple orchard is on a slope and the ground is often wet when the brush from the pruning has to cleaned up. We have been hiring someone with a skid steer to clean up the brush. There have been a few times when the skid steer got stuck and had to be pulled up the hill.

Would the PT 1460 have similar traction? From the pictures, it looks like the PT may have more aggressive tire tread. Is there any other reason to think the PT may be better?

Thanks for any info,
Bill

From everything I've read here over the past decade regarding that model PT, tire chains would most likely resolve any issues with traction on the wet slopes you describe. They are not that steep. I have to wonder if you need a machine of that size, though. Its more of a loader. A 1430 is more of a groundskeeper being smaller, lower, etc...

I would suggest you analyze your needs, like lift capacity, lift height, mowing duties, etc... very carefully before deciding on a more loader oriented machine.

How large is your orchard?

 

[American Bulldog]

If it only does this in one direction, you may want to check with Terry at the PT factory. It might be that the control on the drive pump is out of whack.

I think some owners have gone to heavier and/or synthetic oils, and may have opinions.

All the best,

Peter

Terry has been less than helpful through the whole thing. He insists that there are no adjustments on the pump.... lol. I have tried adjusting the obvious ones, the only one that seems to work is the "zero" adjust, which gets rid of the creeping in either direction. I know the pump is a Bondioli, would love to get my hands on a manual. The pump has been this way since day one, and the only solution PT has offered is for me to send the whole machine back to the factory at my expense. The whole thing has left a bad taste........ I have just lived with the limitation on the machine and cursed PT every time I have gotten in a jam due to the f'ed up tram pump.

 

[American Bulldog]

From everything I've read here over the past decade regarding that model PT, tire chains would most likely resolve any issues with traction on the wet slopes you describe. They are not that steep. I have to wonder if you need a machine of that size, though. Its more of a loader. A 1430 is more of a groundskeeper being smaller, lower, etc...

I would suggest you analyze your needs, like lift capacity, lift height, mowing duties, etc... very carefully before deciding on a more loader oriented machine.

How large is your orchard?

My earlier point exactly. The 1460 is a great loader, but an average mower at best. With the big tires I am running, there is not enough room for chains. The tire is only about 1/2" gap from the side of the tub. I could use wheel spacers, but I would probably break the wheel motors. The 1460's biggest problem is it's weight. At about 6000 pounds with an attachment, it is asking a lot of the machine to go up steep slopes. My tires will generally hold, but the bar lugs will dig into the soil and mark up the grass pretty good. The 1850 has such an advantage, as it is 2000 pounds less, has dual tires, and the same motor and tram pump.