PT425 with Robin Engine?

   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #1  

blackwell

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I understand Power Trac is planing on building some PT425 machines with Robin 25HP engines. My understanding PT tests show the Robin has more torque under load than the Kohler. The Robin 18HP in the PT180 seems to have a lot of torque.
I also noticed PT was testing the Generac 30HP at the 2003 EXPO last fall. They indicated the test would be finished this fall.
Tell us what you think!!
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #2  
I like the Robin engine. (I also like the kohler engines). Robin parts and service are not quite as readily available, although I think the Robin network is still growing. A number of PT400 series owners are waiting for a small diesel in lieu of gas.
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine?
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#3  
Duane,
I ask Power Trac about a diesel in the 425 and they stated they have tried Acme, Kubota, Isuzu, and two others. Each required the frame to be lenthened up to 12" and some required wider frame up to 4". The results was a tractor too long or wide to fit the 425 profile and they felt was under powered over priced. They explained that most of these engines were as expensive as the Deutz 2 cyl. 1011 with some being longer and all less powerful than the Deutz. I suppose they are saying we already have the 425 diesel, the PT1430 at 4" wider and 8" longer frame.
Power Trac did say that if I or anyone could find a diesel engine 25hp or greater that was no longer or wider than the Kohler or Robin 25hp they will test it. I cant find one, so get out there and find that diesel that will fit.
EB
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #4  
we did that last year. someone in this forum found one but has not been on for a long time. i will do some searching and will let everyone know. i would love to have a diesel, even though i have several commercial z turn mowers with the Kohler engine in it, i am not too fond of them.
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #5  
At the time I purchased Power Trac offered the PT418, PT422 and PT425. They had Robin 18 and 22 HP engines and the Kohler Command 25HP engine, respectively. I opted for the Kohler over the Robin for a few reasons.

- I found several Kohler repair shops locally.

- Power Trac suggested the Kohler over the Robin for running the 60" finish mower.

- The Kohler has pressure lubrication. From everything I've read, the Robin has splash lubrication. I don't know if this will make any difference over the life of the engine. Does the Robin have an oil filter? I couldn"t find that information anywhere. <font color="red"> EDIT: It has been pointed out that the Robin has pressure lubrication and an oil filter! </font>

- I never heard of a Robin engine at the time and my dad had good luck with Kohlers.

- At the time, I couldn't find any Robin repair shops locally.

- I really liked that the 400 series Power Tracs fit in the back of my pickup truck with an implement attached. I wanted the largest motor that was available in the 400 series frame. If there would have been a larger one in the same size frame, I would have paid for it. I have read but not investigated that Robin and Kohler measure their torque differently, so it is hard to compare apples to oranges. The 25 HP Kohler lists it's peak torque at 39.9 lbs. ft. (54.1) @ 2800 and the 22 HP Robin is listed as 33.6 lbs. ft. (45.5) @ 2500.

- bla bla bla /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If I have any facts incorrect here, someone please correct me. I could have missed something and I'd hate to give out bad information.<font color="red"> Thanks, Duane </font>

With that said, no one here on TBN that owns a Robin seems to be complaining about any lack of power. They really seem to like them. There were some issues about the cold weather starting on the Robin, but apparently Robin has been addressing that to the owner's satisfaction. Jack Robin shows up on the board and now we have a factory rep that checks in once in a while and answers questions. I have yet to meet Joe Kohler /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif That says something about Robin to me. Someone there is interested in customer feedback. That is really nice and I appreciate it as a consumer.

As for waiting to purchase... all I can say is that every year you wait, you will see improvements. If I had waited a year, I would have gotten a better laid out engine compartment, higher lift capacity and stronger wheel motors on our PT425. But I wouldn't of had my tractor, and I used the heck out of it in that year... I took about 2 years to make up my mind, but eventually took the plunge. I don't regret it one bit. If you can wait, then wait. Power Trac really seems to be developing the 400 series and my guess is it will only get better... more $$$, but probably worth it.
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #6  
MossRoad,

Just a clarification. The Robin engine has a pressure lube system with an oil filter.

Duane
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #7  
That's good to know. I'll edit my post. Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #8  
Hello Guys,

It's really nice to read such good feedback regarding our engines, but I feel obligated to reply regarding complaints about the small Service network that we have/had to offer.

I'd tend to agree that a year or two ago our Service Center network was not as good as it should be. This was mostly caused by poor representation of our company by our distributors, however we've started cracking down on this and by today we have over 4200 Service Centers nationwide.

We're continuing to receive huge amount of new dealer contracts on the daily basis, so with every day our Service network is growing rapidly, and to me as a Tech Support/Warranty rep is a great news since it really hurts me sometimes to tell the customer that he or she has to travel over 30 miles to get their engine serviced.

Now we finally have a dealer locator on our new and improved web site, seems like everything is changing for the better, I'm really happy about it.


Regards,

Jack Gawecki
Robin America, Inc.
Technical Support Dept.
800-277-6246
http://www.robinamerica.com
 
   / PT425 with Robin Engine? #10  
Interesting Note:

Worked with a guy over the week-end who owned a woodmizer portable lumber mill. It was powered by a Onan, 2 cyl, 22 Horsepower gas engine. Almost identical to the Robin 22 HP (I think Robin makes the Onan 22). The first engine lasted 4100 hours with only regular maint. He has 1300 hours on the second engine with no problems.

Duane
 

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