PTO Driven pumps

[Fisher970]

Hi all,
First time poster here.

I just recently bought a second hand Kubota M9540 for some property I have in the Bahamas. Its a bit of a working hobby farm and having a tractor is new to us everything has been done by hand so far. So I'm kind of like a kid in the candy shop right now finding all the attachments I can get. However, being realistic, I'm trying to focus on what I'll actually use frequently.

The first attachment I want to get is a PTO driven pump. We have a number of freshwater ponds that we clean out every couple of months because they get filled with fine sediment and sand. In the past we have used just small honda gas pumps just to suction the water and then shovel out the silt which ends up being a couple day job. The other thing we have is a little marina entrance to the ocean that tends to fill up with sand after storms. In the past we've rented a 6" diesel pump from the local CAT dealer but they no longer carry the pumps in their rental fleet. I want to say it was a 600GPM pump but its been a couple of years since we rented it.

So I was thinking we kill 2 birds with one stone. We already have all the piping for the 6"pump so looking for something the same size. Am I right in saying that a trash pump suits this application? Does anyone know of a PTO trash pump that big? The M9540 spec sheet says the PTO has a max output of 84hp @540rpm. I haven't had all that much luck looking online.

Thanks in advance!

 

[oosik]

Good morning and welcome to TBN. I have a 3" trash pump and rented and used a 6" trash pump. No idea of your location but you might find what you are looking for on the internet. Perhaps even a local dealer.

Yes - to pump water, silt, sand, pebbles and small rocks - a trash pump. Be sure it has a screen on the end of the intake hose. You don't want large rocks fouling the intake hose nor damaging the pump itself.

As you already know - a 6" PTO driven trash pump will be a BIG piece of equipment.

The only units that big are usually combined with their own power supply( diesel engine ). I can't remember ever seeing a 6" PTO unit.

The M9540 should have plenty of power if you can find a PTO unit.

 

[leonz]

Hi all,
First time poster here.

I just recently bought a second hand Kubota M9540 for some property I have in the Bahamas. Its a bit of a working hobby farm and having a tractor is new to us everything has been done by hand so far. So I'm kind of like a kid in the candy shop right now finding all the attachments I can get. However, being realistic, I'm trying to focus on what I'll actually use frequently.

The first attachment I want to get is a PTO driven pump. We have a number of freshwater ponds that we clean out every couple of months because they get filled with fine sediment and sand. In the past we have used just small honda gas pumps just to suction the water and then shovel out the silt which ends up being a couple day job. The other thing we have is a little marina entrance to the ocean that tends to fill up with sand after storms. In the past we've rented a 6" diesel pump from the local CAT dealer but they no longer carry the pumps in their rental fleet. I want to say it was a 600GPM pump but its been a couple of years since we rented it.

So I was thinking we kill 2 birds with one stone. We already have all the piping for the 6"pump so looking for something the same size. Am I right in saying that a trash pump suits this application? Does anyone know of a PTO trash pump that big? The M9540 spec sheet says the PTO has a max output of 84hp @540rpm. I haven't had all that much luck looking online.

Thanks in advance!

The only system that will be useable for you is a liquid manure pump mounted on wheels used
to pump and agitate manure in manure lagoons.

The folks at Conestoga Manure Spreaders can help you with this as you do not have a big pumping need.

www.conestogamanurespreaders.com

1-800-822-1976

jeb@conestogamfg.com

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

My uncle made 6" pumps for the oilfield to pump out reserve pits on drilling locations. All were built with just a torch, welder, measuring tape, chalk, just basic tools. I've seen him pump out a 15 acre pond that the drain was not working, so needed replacing. It took a week to pump it out. That was almost 40 years ago and I still see his pumps on oilfield trucks around here, being hauled around.

 

[Sportsman762]

So there are PTO driven water pumps available. I do not know your exact details but some pumps might work, whereas others will not.
Trash pumps, can lift a moderate head, and can be used with a decently long discharge.

https://www.northerntool.com/products/trunkpump-pto-trash-water-pump-33-600-gph-4in-ports-model-tp-4ptr-29752

https://www.northerntool.com/products/trunkpump-pto-powered-dewatering-water-pump-3in-model-tp-3pt-109154

Centrifugal pumps can lift a moderate head, and be used with a long discharge. They are higher pressure.

PTO Pumps | Rain-Flo Irrigation

PTO Pumps Caprari PTO Pumps

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Rovatti PTO Pumps - Idrofoglia USA

Rovatti has water PTO centrifugal irrigation pumps that are designed for easy mobility. See our models available.

www.idrofogliausa.com

Tractor PTO Pumps

Rovatti PTO Pumps are an excellent choice for high performance sprinkler irrigation.

www.bigsprinkler.com

If you do not need to lift far or pump far a relift pump is great. They are very high volume but low pressure.

Agricultural Water Pumps For Flooded Fields | Kelderman USA

If you need to remove standing water from your fields, use a Kelderman agricultural water pump. With a 30" inch shaft, you can move up to 28,000 gallons/minute.

kelderman.com

Easylift/Easylift III Pump

Overview: The Easylift Pump does just that—it easily lifts water from a ditch, creek, river or wherever it’s readily available and places it in your field. Available in 3-point or trailer-mounted models, the Easylift offers convenient and customizable watering options for your operation.

www.houseindustriesinc.com

Camelback/Camelback III Pump

Overview: Re-lifting up steep banks has never been so easy. The Camelback Series irrigation pumps designed by ECS House are available in 3-point hitch or trailer-mounted models equipped to handle either medium or heavy-duty pumping. Brochure - Camelback Pump Series

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[5030]

Go to the builder, not a dealer... Gorman Rupp Pumps, Mansfield, Ohio

 

[Fisher970]

Thanks for all the replies!

Unfortunately the manure pump style will not help me for my application. When we use the pump to dredge the marina entrance, we do it by hand controlling the suction line. Basically we built a "T" handle onto the suction fitting of the hose and have 2 guys controlling the head. The suction pipe then runs up to the pump and the sand pumped up onto land.

I'll plan to reach out to Gorman Rupp after the holidays.

 

[nyone]

There is an easier way other than pumping all the water out and removing the sediment or running that sediment through your pump. Use a dredge style nozzle and a small water pump.

 

[kneedeep]

I have the smaller one to pump out a duckhole, 30 hrs to drain 5 acres 6”- 18” deep

 

[rScotty]

There is an easier way other than pumping all the water out and removing the sediment or running that sediment through your pump. Use a dredge style nozzle and a small water pump.

What are they and how do they work? I'm not familiar with either one.
I think I'm looking at about a 3" pump and a 20 foot lift out of a rock & gravel shallow stream bottom.
rScotty

 

[kneedeep]

Mine at work

 

[rScotty]

Mine at work

What do you have on the suction end to keep the rocks and junk out of the pump?

 

[rScotty]

There is an easier way other than pumping all the water out and removing the sediment or running that sediment through your pump. Use a dredge style nozzle and a small water pump.

How does a dredge style nozzle compare for vertical lift against a regular suction trash pump with a screen filter pickup? Same? More? Less?
I have to lift from a creek in a gully up to my PTO pump on the bank.
thanks,
rScotty

 

[ning]

What do you have on the suction end to keep the rocks and junk out of the pump?

Probably a strainer basket

 

[kneedeep]

Yes, strainer basket.

 

[leonz]

A dredge nozzle works using water to drive water just like a jet pump for a water well.

In your situation a floating fire pump will be of the most help to you to feed your PTO pump.
The Absolute Water Pump folks sell the self contained CET floating fire pump which is made in
Canada for fire fighting in the bush but there is no reason it would not work for your needs.

The image shows a CET floating fire pump from Absolute Fire Pumps. It has a static head pressure of 92 feet.

It has a 3 inch inlet and 2.5 inch inside diameter discharge hose and it has a capacity of 260 gallons per minute/15,600
gallons per hour at 3,600 RPM and it would flood the inlet chamber of your PTO pump adequately to keep
the volute seals of the PTO pump lubricated.

The CET brochure is incorrect in stating the floating fire pump requires a foot valve as the centrifugal
pump volute and suction screen is below the water line and it does not require a foot valve.