PTO HP L5460 VS. L6060 I need some advice?

[Fallon]

So I am seriously considering these two tractors. Grand L, Cab, Hst, etc.

My delema is this, do I jump for the 60 HP for the higher PTO HP?

My needs are, snow plowing, drive way manitence, mowing (6' rotary or finish on field grass), moving 1 ton pallets of pellets, fence post auger to 12", I'm getting a backhoe for numerous trenching building landscaping tasks. I have 40 acres in dryland hay and would like to work it all myself one day. So there's a potential for drum mower, tedder, rake, and small square bailer.

The root of my question is this, is there anything the 46.5 PTO HP (L5460) wouldn't do, that the 53 PTO HP (L6060) would Do?

I'm not sure what to do. I havent priced the L6060 over the L5460 but I suspect a $2500+ difference

Thanks Charles

Go faster. Burn more fuel per hour working flat out.

All the Grand Kubotas have the same frame. Just different engines & tires. The L3560 is the only exception & can only have the small loader. My L4060 takes a medium or small loader, the rest can take the small, medium or large loaders. Both those machines will take the big loader, which I highly recommend. My medium loader is ok, but even my L4060 feels like it could take a lot more loader.

My 40hp L4060 is close to the HP traction ratio. I might be able to plow or do dirt work faster with more HP, but really operator control is as much of a limitation. The bug call for more power is PTO operation. I do wish I had more HP when mowing. But I still get the job done just the same, only a hair slower. I suspect a 6' mower would be a decent match for my L4060, but undersized for a bigger machine. Unless you are mowing really tall thick grass or heavy brush. And really grass taskes more HP than woody brush.

My L4060 flows 10gpm or so for hydraulics, which at 2,500psi is 20hp or so. A quick look at Tractordata says the L6060 has the same 9.something gpm. So no difference in hydraulics & both will run a hydraulic PHD or backhoe exactly the same.

In either case, be prepared for a fight to get half way decent hydraulics on the rear if you order them. My dealer is picking up (his dime, good dealer) my L4060 yet again on Monday (traveling for a week so good time for it to be MIA). This is his 2nd or 3rd try trying to get the rear hydraulics working properly. The spools are loose as he'll & my TnT cylinders leak down. Top is fine at under an inch or so an hour. Tilt leaks down in under 45 minutes with an impliment on.

 

[Fallon]

Am I making too much of the manual PTO clutch being important for running implements? What do other folks do? It sure comes in handy for me doing post holes, but from the lack of response I may be missing something. The HST+ on the M59 has a manual foot clutch which I find useful.
rScotty

I got use to it on my L3200. All the current Grands are electrically actuated. Adjusting to that on my L4060 didn't take long at all & I don't miss the clutch pedal. On my L3200hst the clutch was used for the starter interlock & PTO. You can tap the button as fast as you can hit the pedal. With a HST you can pull you foot off the go pedal faster than hitting a clutch.

 

[rprecision]

Go faster. Burn more fuel per hour working flat out.

All the Grand Kubotas have the same frame. Just different engines & tires. The L3560 is the only exception & can only have the small loader. My L4060 takes a medium or small loader, the rest can take the small, medium or large loaders. Both those machines will take the big loader, which I highly recommend. My medium loader is ok, but even my L4060 feels like it could take a lot more loader.

My 40hp L4060 is close to the HP traction ratio. I might be able to plow or do dirt work faster with more HP, but really operator control is as much of a limitation. The bug call for more power is PTO operation. I do wish I had more HP when mowing. But I still get the job done just the same, only a hair slower. I suspect a 6' mower would be a decent match for my L4060, but undersized for a bigger machine. Unless you are mowing really tall thick grass or heavy brush. And really grass taskes more HP than woody brush.

My L4060 flows 10gpm or so for hydraulics, which at 2,500psi is 20hp or so. A quick look at Tractordata says the L6060 has the same 9.something gpm. So no difference in hydraulics & both will run a hydraulic PHD or backhoe exactly the same.

In either case, be prepared for a fight to get half way decent hydraulics on the rear if you order them. My dealer is picking up (his dime, good dealer) my L4060 yet again on Monday (traveling for a week so good time for it to be MIA). This is his 2nd or 3rd try trying to get the rear hydraulics working properly. The spools are loose as he'll & my TnT cylinders leak down. Top is fine at under an inch or so an hour. Tilt leaks down in under 45 minutes with an impliment on.

Thanks for the feedback, what is a tnt cylinder? Is this the external 3 point ?

 

[Ortimber]

Thanks for the feedback, what is a tnt cylinder? Is this the external 3 point ?

Yes, TnT is referring the the top link and the lift arm adjuster being changed to hydraulic cylinders.

 

[Fallon]

Thanks for the feedback, what is a tnt cylinder? Is this the external 3 point ?

Hydraulic Top & Tilt cylinders. They replace the toplink & a sidelink with hydraulic cylinders in your 3pt. Really nice if you do do grading work. Tilt isn't useful for mowing really & both are useless for a backhoe.

I love TnT for hooking up to impliments with my Quick Hitch. Can hitch up to most impliments without getting off the machine. Not relevant for hitching up a hoe though as that it mounts to a subframe not the 3pt.

 

[PSDStu]

Go faster. Burn more fuel per hour working flat out.

All the Grand Kubotas have the same frame. Just different engines & tires. The L3560 is the only exception & can only have the small loader. My L4060 takes a medium or small loader, the rest can take the small, medium or large loaders. Both those machines will take the big loader, which I highly recommend. My medium loader is ok, but even my L4060 feels like it could take a lot more loader.

My 40hp L4060 is close to the HP traction ratio. I might be able to plow or do dirt work faster with more HP, but really operator control is as much of a limitation. The bug call for more power is PTO operation. I do wish I had more HP when mowing. But I still get the job done just the same, only a hair slower. I suspect a 6' mower would be a decent match for my L4060, but undersized for a bigger machine. Unless you are mowing really tall thick grass or heavy brush. And really grass taskes more HP than woody brush.

My L4060 flows 10gpm or so for hydraulics, which at 2,500psi is 20hp or so. A quick look at Tractordata says the L6060 has the same 9.something gpm. So no difference in hydraulics & both will run a hydraulic PHD or backhoe exactly the same.

In either case, be prepared for a fight to get half way decent hydraulics on the rear if you order them. My dealer is picking up (his dime, good dealer) my L4060 yet again on Monday (traveling for a week so good time for it to be MIA). This is his 2nd or 3rd try trying to get the rear hydraulics working properly. The spools are loose as he'll & my TnT cylinders leak down. Top is fine at under an inch or so an hour. Tilt leaks down in under 45 minutes with an impliment on.

Keep us posted on any progress made with your leaky tilt cylinder. Mine has been terrible since first installed 5 years ago. I would love to see a proper fix. The leak down is awful.

 

[Oldoak]

What is wrong with Kubota and their leaky rear remote hydraulic valves? Why don't they do something about it
and GET IT RIGHT!

The FEL and 3-Pt hitch, with an implement attached, will stay up indefinitely if I left them up, which I don't. So why are their rear remotes so bad? :confused3:

Are there any aftermarket 3rd party rear remotes available for Kubota's CUTs ?

 

[Fallon]

Ya, my loader doesn't move an inch in weeks, the rear remotes not so much. Hydraulic valves are a precision ground spool in a precision ground bore. There are no seals, just metal on metal. If those precision grinds aren't perfect, they leak. As such, there are no seals to replace, only the whole valve body & spool assembly.

I hear Kubota rear valves use to be as good as the loader valves, but a few years ago they went to ****. I assume they went with a cheaper supplier & haven't gotten enough complaints. They need a new supplier of QA/QC process.

You can put check valves in to stop the symptoms, but it also intrinsically breaks float when you do that. Personally I love float.

 

[PSDStu]

Ya, my loader doesn't move an inch in weeks, the rear remotes not so much. Hydraulic valves are a precision ground spool in a precision ground bore. There are no seals, just metal on metal. If those precision grinds aren't perfect, they leak. As such, there are no seals to replace, only the whole valve body & spool assembly.

I hear Kubota rear valves use to be as good as the loader valves, but a few years ago they went to ****. I assume they went with a cheaper supplier & haven't gotten enough complaints. They need a new supplier of QA/QC process.

You can put check valves in to stop the symptoms, but it also intrinsically breaks float when you do that. Personally I love float.

I would be interested in the check valves you mentioned..... at this point I am open to installing them if you have any additional info. Thanks!

 

[PSDStu]

Any idea how to plumb this valve into our Rear Remote system to make it work?

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