"Pulling" tractors

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Probably doesn't help that I have no idea what a proper plow setup is. I've plowed dry, real dry, moist, wet (huge mistake). I do much better when I kill all the grass, go over it a couple times with the discs to break up the matt, let it rain on it, then plow. But gosh, tha'ts an aweful lot of work. I should ask my neighbor for help, but that's my own stubborness to figure it out. Thanks for the help. I will try to post photos and see if that sheds light on things.
 
   / "Pulling" tractors #12  
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If you can, post a picture from directly behind the plow, with it hitched to the tractor, and held just a few inches ABOVE the ground. Also, a shot from 90 degrees to the left or right. I'll TRY to spot anything wrong with your set-up.
 
   / "Pulling" tractors #13  
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The bigest problem that you have is the TSC plow. It can't be set up to plow. If you ever have a chance to use your neighbors plow, get it and hook it to you tractor. Get him to help with the setup. I think that you will be suprised at the difference. The old Dearbon, Ferguson and some Massey plows (example: model #66 ) are hard to beat.
 
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Three sugestions to help flip the sod better: First, push the plow as far as possible to the side the sod should roll and hold it there by pining the stabilizer bars or adjusting the lower link chains. Second, you have hilly ground, so plow across the hills and roll the sod downhill (gravity will help you). Third, you can weld a plate (aprox 6" high by 14" long) to the back top of the rear moldboard and bend it in a bit. The capability of your tractor on a plow if it has unloaded R4's is roughly equal to a 9n with loaded R1's because of your fwd. If you could get Loaded R1's then your tractors capability on thge plow would be nearly doubled.
 
   / "Pulling" tractors #15  
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One other thought on flipping the sod. If you only plow a few acres each year, make sure your mouldboards are polished, if they are rusty, dirt builds up on them and the sod will not roll like it should. When I first started cleaning my mouldborads and putting a good rust preventative on them it made a hugh difference in the look of the field.
 
   / "Pulling" tractors #16  
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Plowing is an art. We've got a lot of "struggling artists" here. My Dad taught me to plow with an 8N, 2-14s. Then we moved up to a 641, 3-14s. Don't have any idea of ground speed in mph because we didn't care about things like that. But you could not walk beside the tractor, we were going wayyyyy faster than that. Using my Dad's logic that he taught me, I'll make a few comments.

When the plow is buried and plowing it has to set level, side to side as well as front to back.

Adjusting the right lift arm is used to get the side to side level and is only used after that to drop the front plow when starting the first furrow or finishing a dead furrow.

Adjusting the top link is to get the front to rear level adjustment. If the front is too low the tractor lift is constantly trying to keep the plow from going too deep and this creates a plow that hops along, going too deep, then the tractor yanking it out of the ground. If the front is too high the plow struggles to go into the ground. When you have this adjustment right the plow will go to it's established depth with 3 feet of the time you drop it after a turn around. Once it reaches that depth you should rarely feel the tractor pick up on the plow and when running thru the field the plow will glide with little or no obvious jerk.

No here's where your biggest problem lies. Rolling the sod. Drop your plow and start thru the field with the right tractor wheels properly running in the furrow. Stop the tractor, get off and standing at the back of the plow look at the tail end (furrow end) of the front cutter edge, not the moldboard, the cutting edge that's buried in the ground. The tip should be extended an inch or two into the previous furrow. If it extends too far into the furrow, you have your right wheels set in too far. If it doesn't extend to the furrow you have your right wheels set out too far. I'm guessing yours is out too far. This leaves a strip of land between the last furrow and the tail end of your next cut that hasn't been cut loose. It doesn't want to turn over because it's still connected to the ground. This creates an ugly job of plowing that a good farmer would laugh at. It also adds tremendously to the amount of HP required to pull the plow.

Someone recommended adjusting the sway bars to make the plow travel in the right spot. BAD IDEA!!! When plowing the sway bars/chains are only used when turning around at the ends to keep the lift arms from hitting the tires. If your plow is properly adjusted, when you are running thru the field plowing, your plow should be centered behind the tracotr and your sway chains should equally be hanging loose.

Early Ford tractors only had two wheel settings. This was simple because they all basically pulled the same plow. As they added tractor sizes and HP ranges they had to develop rear wheels that had multiple settings. This was to take care of different plow sizes. Ranges went from 2-12 plows up thru 3-16 plows. One size fits all wouldn't work any longer.

One last thing is the plow size. A 2-14 plow is a plow with two moldboards and they each cut a 14 inch swath. A 3-16 plow cuts three swaths, 16 inch each.

Your 40 Hp tractor should cruise along with ease pulling a 3-14 plow and make your neighbor jealous. Right now he chuckles every time he sees you trying to plow. The best thing for you to do is swallow your pride, hitch up your plow and go visit him. He will teach you the fine "art" of plowing.

Here in the midwest, 40 years ago, they held plowing contests. Farmers came from miles around to compete. It was poetry in motion and many "M" Farmall owners were embarrassed by much smaller Ford tractors that would plow circles around them all because the Farmall owner was a "struggling artist" and the Ford owner had it figured out. I won my first plowing contest at the age of 9 with an 8N and a 2-14 plow that my Dad taught me to set up.

Sorry for the ramble. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Three sugestions to help flip the sod better: First, push the plow as far as possible to the side the sod should roll and hold it there by pining the stabilizer bars or adjusting the lower link chains. Second, you have hilly ground, so plow across the hills and roll the sod downhill (gravity will help you). Third, you can weld a plate (aprox 6" high by 14" long) to the back top of the rear moldboard and bend it in a bit. The capability of your tractor on a plow if it has unloaded R4's is roughly equal to a 9n with loaded R1's because of your fwd. If you could get Loaded R1's then your tractors capability on thge plow would be nearly doubled. )</font>

A properly set up plow and tractor SHOULD NOT USE SWAY BARS OR CHAINS WHEN PLOWING. A plow should be allowed to move side to side when plowing. If it's set up correctly, it trails centered behind the tractor when in the ground. Sway bars aren't needed. Also, with sway bars, a plow wouldn't be able to "give" when you roll around a slight curve in the field.

DO NOT USE SWAY BARS. (Been plowin' for almost 50 years now, BTDT. )
 
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dumb question? what is TNT?..thanks Mike
 
   / "Pulling" tractors #20  
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"Top and Tilt". It refers to using hydraulic cylinders on the top link and right lift link to have easy length adjustment.
 

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