QA Bucket Rollback Angle Increaser???

[john_bud]

Then again, if there was high quality paint on there in the first place, it wouldn't chip. (Dupont Corlar 2.1 PR primer and industrial Imron 3.5HG or similar)

Actually, welding it on would make it look like it was a factory option. I think it should have been in the first place. Still - even I wouldn't weld it on with out first trying it out. Cut out your cardboard pieces and see what you think. Then see what it would cost to have it made.

Hint: if you use plywood to make a negative form that is about 3/8" too large the plasma cut can be done way quick. Quick saves $$. When you have the holes drilled, have the stack clamped all holes done in one pass so they are all lined up.

Note" the square yellow part has a 1/2 cirlce cutout to allow for the DOM tube boss to be placed and welded on.

If you make it up, be sure to post some pictures of how it came out.

jb

 

[Dougster]

Then again, if there was high quality paint on there in the first place, it wouldn't chip. (Dupont Corlar 2.1 PR primer and industrial Imron 3.5HG or similar)

Actually, welding it on would make it look like it was a factory option. I think it should have been in the first place. Still - even I wouldn't weld it on with out first trying it out. Cut out your cardboard pieces and see what you think. Then see what it would cost to have it made.

Hint: if you use plywood to make a negative form that is about 3/8" too large the plasma cut can be done way quick. Quick saves $$. When you have the holes drilled, have the stack clamped all holes done in one pass so they are all lined up.

Note" the square yellow part has a 1/2 cirlce cutout to allow for the DOM tube boss to be placed and welded on.

If you make it up, be sure to post some pictures of how it came out.

jb

Hi JB - I've actually been examining and playing with the "tool carrier" as they call it all day... except for when the local cops tried to arrest me!!! Yes, a little "ugly payback" from the town for complaining to them that the crown of the reconstructed road in front of my house was built wrong and has my vehicles and trailers effectively blocked in! Shame on me for complaining that my vehicles are ALL bottoming out on every exit and re-entry!!!

Anyway... one minute I think I see your concept working... and the next minute it looks hopeless... or at least unable to increase the rollback angle at dead nutz bottom position by enough to make any real difference in the pebble gravel (a.k.a., "marbles") scenario first stated. The model will help... but I intend to make it two-dimensional out of paper using actual cutout photos of the components. Gotta move a bunch of things and get the tractor out of the garage to take those pix. Probably not going to happen for a day or two... many other issues filling my plate here this week.

Like maybe... Staying out of jail!!!

Dougster

 

[kevinj]

Ask and receive ...

Dougster

It looks like you can drop the cylinders to the lower set of holes. You may lose some curl power but should get more travel.

 

[N80]

Are you going to design me one? Dougster

Yes! But it will be expensive, cash in advance, no refunds and highly unlikely to work.

No, I have the same problem on a Kubota without a QD assembly and I'm just looking for ideas.

 

[Dougster]

Another view for JB. Note that the "tool carrier" is exactly vertical at dead nutz bottoming out on the FEL. In other words, whatever rollback angle I get at FEL DNB is provided by the design... i.e., the mount angle... of the bucket. Also note the angle of the bucket cylinder when fully retracted:

By my calculations, all I can gain is 13.7 degrees theoretically and about 11.0 degrees in a practical sense by kicking out the bottom mounting pin as far as possible before I reach a straight line between the upper and lower pins and the fully retracted bucket cylinder... which to me still defines the maximum achievable angle without getting into an unstable & uncontrollable situation.

Am I wrong about this? 11 to 13 degrees really buys me nothing in the marbles game.

 

[Dougster]

It looks like you can drop the cylinders to the lower set of holes. You may lose some curl power but should get more travel.

Forbidden according to the FEL technical manual. Those holes are supposedly only to be used on a different (ML108) loader. I'm also doubtful it would help in any way with my rollback angle (at DNB) issue.

Dougster

 

[civesnedfield]

Ya know doug the easiest way to do this is to just get another bucket. If I rember right you already have, two or is it three. What's one more. I am still trying to figure a way to do this withoutgoing that way.

 

[Dougster]

Ya know doug the easiest way to do this is to just get another bucket. If I rember right you already have, two or is it three. What's one more. I am still trying to figure a way to do this withoutgoing that way.

Yeah... I've got a monster 78" HD, my stock 72" light-duty... and I'm waiting on a Loflin 66" skidsteer tooth bucket from that place way down under that begins with an "H"!!!

Not sure of the mount angle on it, but it must be a little greater than my two KMW buckets. No timetable on it however... still waiting for a bulk shipment to my local supplier (Wright Trailers, Inc.).

I still think that to achieve what I'd like to achieve, the bucket would have to be custom made or seriously modified. I keep wondering how often it would actually get used???

Dougster

 

[civesnedfield]

What you need to look at is the angle of the back of the bucket relative to the bottom whel the bucket is level. The greater the angle the more roll back you will get. I know what you are going thru. I was cleaning the barn this weekend and lets say that I have done a very good job of feertilizing the yard betweent the barn and the manure pile.

I have been looking at sites for buckets and what I am finding is that "dirt" buckets seem to have a greater angle than the rest.

 

[kevinj]

Forbidden according to the FEL technical manual. Those holes are supposedly only to be used on a different (ML108) loader. I'm also doubtful it would help in any way with my rollback angle (at DNB) issue.

Dougster

I can see that in the last photo. It is never simple...........