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Price grid-grade lead-acid batteries just for fun. Ain't cheap. Supposedly caveman simple lead plates in acid but getting the right alloy of lead for deep cycle and long term service is not that simple. I have been studying options for battery backed PV and currently lithium is winning. Lithium permits deeper cycles, more often, than lead. For reliable long term use a lead battery can not be discharged below 50% so one must buy much more lead capacity. So much so that lithium may have a cost advantage, and definitely has a low maintenance advantage.



As a student of Tesla for over 7 years, former investor, and car owner since 2013, I say Tesla does a lot of stupid things. A lot of stupid arrogant "I'm an intellectual and I have thought on the matter and reached the one any only right possible answer!" Such as their automobile production line. They knew everything yet had never built an automobile before. Paid the price.



Hydrogen is a fool's errand. As an engineer I say, "It got us to the moon. But NASA's idea of an acceptable cost is astronomical." Hydrogen is a terribly inefficient energy storage medium. Even if fuel cells drop in cost by 100x the electrical energy to produce H2 by electrolysis is much greater than if one simply stored the power in batteries.

95% of the hydrogen produced today comes from natural gas. Costs too much otherwise.



But use of a battery is not free. There are capital costs and wear costs.

It would be interesting to play with some rough #'s........ I suspect scaling up a Hydrogen storage tank is cheaper than scaling battery banks.

Still like cracking water by direct-drive PV..... haven't had a serious look at the #'s though....

Rgds, D.
 
   / Quality of Electricity Supply.... #53  
The hydrogen based energy coming our way was in reference to the sun (solar energy). Yes Tesla does dumb stuff like Apple with Lisa. :) While companies like Tesla may be dumb they are making EV's mainstream technology thankfully.

I have only be driving my Nissan Leaf for two days but there is no way I want to go back to pumping gas for area trips and hope to add three more EV's into the family.

You could drive 3X farther if your PV Power was stored in batteries than if used to generate hydrogen from water.

Tesla owner and driver 6 years come December. Drove 130 miles today. No stop to charge.
 
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You could drive 3X farther if your PV Power was stored in batteries than if used to generate hydrogen from water.

Tesla owner and driver 6 years come December. Drove 130 miles today. No stop to charge.

Reference data for the 3x ?

Rgds, D.
 
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Reference data for the 3x ?

Learn to do your own research. But for starters 1 kg of H2 has about 40 kWh and costs $13.99.
Cost to refill | California Fuel Cell Partnership

Other sources say H2 can be generated by electrolysis of water for 55 kWh/kg but do not say whether that is compressed to useful 5,000 PSI or so for a vehicle. A lot of energy is needed to compress a gas that much (all of this energy is lost when the gas is expanded) and energy is needed to warm the cold gas when expanded prior for use.
 
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I'm on a power Co-Op. Been on this system for 38 years. It is EXTREMELY well run and meticulously maintained.

This Co-Op receives hydroelectric power from Grand Coulee dam. It's supplemented with solar power.

You need some of our trees from the wet side. Some snappy big leaf maples. :D
 
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And how often will those T700 tanks need to be re-certified? Regular air compressor tanks (~200 psi) require re-certification or replacement every 10 years.
 

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