Questions about 2013 Massey Ferguson 1533 Rear Remote install

[Casaid1]

I'm wanting to install a set of rear hydraulic hookups on a 2013 Massey Ferguson 1533 tractor. I don't need any controls because most of my 3 point attachments are controlled on the 3point itself anyway. (John deere wood splitter etc). A little background on me, Ive built my own CNC plasma table, Ive built my own mobile saw mill, I've done ALOT of vehicle modifications (SD axles , hydro assist steering, dual triangulated F/R suspension all in a jeeps, Cummins swaps in Fords), BUT I am definitely NEW to tractors.

From what I understand and what I've deduced from just running through the process and line directions on the hydraulic pump. The hydraulic pump has a front output that connects to the hydraulic steering. The rear output on the pump goes to the tractor body/frame right next to the control valve body for the front loader 4 way Joystick. I also had a hydraulic hard line that was pinched that comes out of the bottom of the control valve that I had to change. I assuming its the return line.

That said Id like to add the rear hookups on the back and then just run a Tee on both the inlet and return line and run a flex line into the Tee for both. The inlet line that goes into the tractor body/frame should always have pressure and I dont see why the return line would try to buck against the rear remote return line.

Can I do this or is there a MUCH easier way of just adding rear hookups? Hopefully I didnt explain this too much like a neanderthal that It didnt make sense. Thanks.

 

[Casaid1]

 

[Rockbadchild]

I am no expert, but there are expert here, they will eventually chip in but personally I would advise against it. You loader valves is a open center you constantly have a flow through, with a parallel path your pressure will be very low you wont get much for the splitter once hook up plus when you will be using the splitter depending on what type of valve there on there you might not have a return while using it, if you dead end your pump it wont be good (not likely since you will have a T but the parallel path will be a issue with pressure). I would advise you to set up a other open center valve with a power beyond port and set it up in series on your current control valve power beyond port ( your 3 point is currently using the power beyond) plus that way you will be able to use it with attachment that doesn't have a valve.

 

[JWR]

You have a way more mechanical experience than I do. I'll go ahead and make a few comments for you.
The term normally used for those remote hydraulic ports or 'rear hookups' as you call them is "Remotes." Most tractors out there with remotes had them installed by the dealer who sold the tractor. The expense in adding remotes to a tractor without them seems crazy high to me. I think I've heard $1000 each or so depending on the tractor. Since you have a front end loader already there should be a loader valve body that has ports for feeding remotes and other things. If those ports are not clearly marked get the brand & model number off the loader valve and go on-line and look at the diagrams for that loader valve body. Essentially all farm and utility tractors have what is called "open center" hydraulic systems meaning that they are what I call "one track mind." In other words there might be several destination devices (like multiple remotes) in the high pressure side of things ANY ONE OF WHICH being in use disables all the rest in the chain. The various devices (such as remotes) are effectively in series and when you open one of the control valves for a remote you put the pressure to that device and shut it off to all the other devices in the serial chain. That is called 'open center' and you can see pretty decent tutorials on all that by Googling the words hydraulics , open center, etc.

On the low pressure return side you can do almost anything so long as the fluid has a path back to the sump. Yes, you can tee multiple return lines together so that they all return to a common sump.

Each remote needs to have a control for that remote and utilizing the device or attachment connected to it. Typically that is a cable from the valve for the remote to a handle somewhere where you can reach it easily. All tractors (well within reason all of them) have provision for installing the control lever and cable assemblies usually to the right of the driver's seat.
You need to decide on connectors -- certainly quick disconnects. There are a ridiculous variety of these knuckle busters. The two that make sense are the "pioneer" or "AG" style connectors that just jamb in hard to connect and yank out hard to disconnect. No release sleeves involved. The other sensible type is a little more complex and expensive and those are the "flat face skid steer" type. You do have to sort out sizes, hose diameters, and etc. of course. It is common practice to use the push in/pull out AG ty0pe connectors on the remotes and the flat face connectors out at the implement (like on a grapple bucket, hydraulic motor driven attachment, etc.)

All that said I will post a labeled photo of a set of remotes mounted on the back of a MF 2660 which would look very similar on your tractor if done by a dealer or using OEM hardware.
Good luck. I'm sure with your background you will be a fast learner on all this. I do recommend that you make freinds with some local shop that routinely makes up hydraulic hoses, installs connector on them, etc. They can both sell you the parts and make very reliable suggestions.

 

[Rockbadchild]

I am no expert, but there are expert here, they will eventually chip in but personally I would advise against it. You loader valves is a open center you constantly have a flow through, with a parallel path your pressure will be very low you wont get much for the splitter once hook up plus when you will be using the splitter depending on what type of valve there on there you might not have a return while using it, if you dead end your pump it wont be good (not likely since you will have a T but the parallel path will be a issue with pressure). I would advise you to set up a other open center valve with a power beyond port and set it up in series on your current control valve power beyond port ( your 3 point is currently using the power beyond) plus that way you will be able to use it with attachment that doesn't have a valve.

Red line is the power beyond from my existing valve to the new one (constant flow)
Bleu line is the new valve power beyond feeding the 3 point link
pink line is tee off to the return to sump line (only used when lowering the hydraulic cylinder)

red circle is the power beyond port

 

[JWR]

I should have mentioned that "remotes" is short for remote control valves (RCVs). In this picture you will see where I have marked the RCVs, the fluid paths, etc. In my case I have 2 remotes and they are mounted together in what is called an RCV block. There can be just one, or two like mine or sometimes 3 or more RCVs in a block. Depends on what you need. In my case the main hydraulic pump on the tractor feeds high pressure fluid directly to the input to the remotes (RCVs.) Then in my case the "power beyond" hose goes from the RCV block forward to the loader valve for the front end loader, etc. In your case you already have the loader and loader valve in place so (as I said earlier in the other post) you will need to run the high pressure hose from your loader valve output port back to the RCV block to feed your remotes. On the return side of things, I do not have the tee labeled in this picture, but you can see it on the left with "HP" cast into the body of the tee. That large loop coming over from the right of the picture and then downward into the tee is (as I label it) the low pressure return hose from the loader valve headed for the sump. Hard to tell in this picture but the right side of the tee is the return from the RCV block. I do not know if the higher pressure feed from the loader valve you will have in your case going back to the RCVs is properly called a "power beyond" or not. It is possible the high pressure outlet port on your loader valve could be labeled, or called, a "power beyond port."

 

[Casaid1]

I am no expert, but there are expert here, they will eventually chip in but personally I would advise against it. You loader valves is a open center you constantly have a flow through, with a parallel path your pressure will be very low you wont get much for the splitter once hook up plus when you will be using the splitter depending on what type of valve there on there you might not have a return while using it, if you dead end your pump it wont be good (not likely since you will have a T but the parallel path will be a issue with pressure). I would advise you to set up a other open center valve with a power beyond port and set it up in series on your current control valve power beyond port ( your 3 point is currently using the power beyond) plus that way you will be able to use it with attachment that doesn't have a valve.

You have a way more mechanical experience than I do. I'll go ahead and make a few comments for you.
The term normally used for those remote hydraulic ports or 'rear hookups' as you call them is "Remotes." Most tractors out there with remotes had them installed by the dealer who sold the tractor. The expense in adding remotes to a tractor without them seems crazy high to me. I think I've heard $1000 each or so depending on the tractor. Since you have a front end loader already there should be a loader valve body that has ports for feeding remotes and other things. If those ports are not clearly marked get the brand & model number off the loader valve and go on-line and look at the diagrams for that loader valve body. Essentially all farm and utility tractors have what is called "open center" hydraulic systems meaning that they are what I call "one track mind." In other words there might be several destination devices (like multiple remotes) in the high pressure side of things ANY ONE OF WHICH being in use disables all the rest in the chain. The various devices (such as remotes) are effectively in series and when you open one of the control valves for a remote you put the pressure to that device and shut it off to all the other devices in the serial chain. That is called 'open center' and you can see pretty decent tutorials on all that by Googling the words hydraulics , open center, etc.

On the low pressure return side you can do almost anything so long as the fluid has a path back to the sump. Yes, you can tee multiple return lines together so that they all return to a common sump.

Each remote needs to have a control for that remote and utilizing the device or attachment connected to it. Typically that is a cable from the valve for the remote to a handle somewhere where you can reach it easily. All tractors (well within reason all of them) have provision for installing the control lever and cable assemblies usually to the right of the driver's seat.
You need to decide on connectors -- certainly quick disconnects. There are a ridiculous variety of these knuckle busters. The two that make sense are the "pioneer" or "AG" style connectors that just jamb in hard to connect and yank out hard to disconnect. No release sleeves involved. The other sensible type is a little more complex and expensive and those are the "flat face skid steer" type. You do have to sort out sizes, hose diameters, and etc. of course. It is common practice to use the push in/pull out AG ty0pe connectors on the remotes and the flat face connectors out at the implement (like on a grapple bucket, hydraulic motor driven attachment, etc.)

All that said I will post a labeled photo of a set of remotes mounted on the back of a MF 2660 which would look very similar on your tractor if done by a dealer or using OEM hardware.
Good luck. I'm sure with your background you will be a fast learner on all this. I do recommend that you make freinds with some local shop that routinely makes up hydraulic hoses, installs connector on them, etc. They can both sell you the parts and make very reliable suggestions.

Red line is the power beyond from my existing valve to the new one (constant flow)
Bleu line is the new valve power beyond feeding the 3 point link
pink line is tee off to the return to sump line (only used when lowering the hydraulic cylinder)

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red circle is the power beyond port
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I should have mentioned that "remotes" is short for remote control valves (RCVs). In this picture you will see where I have marked the RCVs, the fluid paths, etc. In my case I have 2 remotes and they are mounted together in what is called an RCV block. There can be just one, or two like mine or sometimes 3 or more RCVs in a block. Depends on what you need. In my case the main hydraulic pump on the tractor feeds high pressure fluid directly to the input to the remotes (RCVs.) Then in my case the "power beyond" hose goes from the RCV block forward to the loader valve for the front end loader, etc. In your case you already have the loader and loader valve in place so (as I said earlier in the other post) you will need to run the high pressure hose from your loader valve output port back to the RCV block to feed your remotes. On the return side of things, I do not have the tee labeled in this picture, but you can see it on the left with "HP" cast into the body of the tee. That large loop coming over from the right of the picture and then downward into the tee is (as I label it) the low pressure return hose from the loader valve headed for the sump. Hard to tell in this picture but the right side of the tee is the return from the RCV block. I do not know if the higher pressure feed from the loader valve you will have in your case going back to the RCVs is properly called a "power beyond" or not. It is possible the high pressure outlet port on your loader valve could be labeled, or called, a "power beyond port."

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Thanks for all the info everyone. I'll try to decifer everything you've said and see what I can understand and use.

 

[Casaid1]

You have a way more mechanical experience than I do. I'll go ahead and make a few comments for you.
The term normally used for those remote hydraulic ports or 'rear hookups' as you call them is "Remotes." Most tractors out there with remotes had them installed by the dealer who sold the tractor. The expense in adding remotes to a tractor without them seems crazy high to me. I think I've heard $1000 each or so depending on the tractor. Since you have a front end loader already there should be a loader valve body that has ports for feeding remotes and other things. If those ports are not clearly marked get the brand & model number off the loader valve and go on-line and look at the diagrams for that loader valve body.

OK. So if I understand this correctly. Since it's a "4way loader control valve body" I should be able to take the "passenger side" fender access panel off and get the name/model number off of it and find a "feeder port" that should make this easier?

 

[Casaid1]

JWR would this "feeder valve" get rid of any dead ending of the hydraulic pressure?

 

[JWR]

JWR would this "feeder valve" get rid of any dead ending of the hydraulic pressure

OK. So if I understand this correctly. Since it's a "4way loader control valve body" I should be able to take the "passenger side" fender access panel off and get the name/model number off of it and find a "feeder port" that should make this easier?

Nothing I know about is 4 way (?) The loader control valve is what you already have in place to control your front end loader. That "loader valve" can be found by tracing the hoses back from the cylinders on your loader. Should be four hoses all connecting to that loader valve plus the cables from your joystick. The picture I could find of a MF1533 is below with my annotation as to where the loader valve is. No messing with access panels or sheet metal. It is in behind your foot step and under your foot platform. [Yours is not a cab model, right??] This below is shown with a 525 loader but I think many are equipped with a DL 120 loader, doesn't matter. I assume your 1533 looks like this in a side view. Assuming so, you should be able to find a nameplate somewhere on that loader valve. Brand and model number. You can then look up the detailed diagram on the web OR may be able to see the ports just labeled on the loader valve. There will be plugs in the unused ports. No matter what, you need to see and have access to that loader valve.

NOW, let's back off a moment -- I re-read your initial post where you mention you "don't need controls..." and gave the example of a wood splitter. If that is the only kind of device you plan to run off your hydraulics you may not need that whole lengthy set of stuff , remotes and controls., I described in 2 earlier posts !? Sorry ! If you have no need for more typical farm tractor implements run by or moved up/down by hydraulics ... go to my next post...