R4's are USELESS!

   / R4's are USELESS! #111  
Whew, what a thread. Here's what I learned today. When shopping for a tractor, if JD says a certain tire type isn't available, you aren't going to be able to get it later. So be careful what you buy. Timber's piece on using the loader to shift weight from the front to the rear was terrific. Gotta remember that. R1's have more traction, but aren't as tough as R4's. I thought I was going to need R1's but even though I'll be working on a slope, it'll be mostly covered in bushes, twigs, grass and saplings which sounds like a job for R4's, but riding over it repeatedly may make it mushy, muddy and slippery, so I'm back to R1's. My head's getting too full. Time to think about something else.
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #112  
I Got R4's on my new john deere and I too do not like them. My Last Tractor Had Forestry Tires on it. They Were similar to R1 except the Bars were closer together. Those Tires offered exceptional puncture resistance in the woods as well as excellent traction. My One Complaint was that they tore the lawn up just driving across it. My Next Tires will be back to R1's
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #113  
Hello, I have R1's and R4's with new wheels will be my next big purchase for my FX42d. Living in the southwest desert we have what is called, "desert pavement" ground that has never been disturbed. Because of lack of rain,(sometimes we will go a year w/o rain) tracks stay there forever. I use my tractor in new home construction on large acreage parcels. Loaded R4's will give me good traction and keep me out of trouble from "tearing up the desert pavement". Just my 2 cents.:D
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #114  
At this late point I am not sure if I have posted on this thread before or not. If so please forgive me, if not, here goes. I happened to have been probably one of the few people who has had both R4's and R1's on the same tractor, a JD 3720. My two cents: The R1 tires get better overall traction. The difference is not huge but certainly notable. The R1's are very narrow on the JD machine. The sidewalls on mine notably flexed when the bucket was full of heavy rock or mulch, a problem not seen with the R4's. The R1's do not hold as much ballast, only 24 gallons per tire v. 35 with the R4's. This equates to a 80-120 pound difference depending on ballast type between the two. In short, you will have to add wheel weights if using heavy front end implements with a JD 3000 series or smaller tractor. The R1's ride surprisingly smoothly on pavement, in my opinion MORE smoothly than R4 tires, perhaps due to their larger circumference. The other little nice thing is with the additional clearance the three point hitch can be fully lifted without impacting the ROPS if you have it folded for some reason, but DON'T fold it!! The R1's are not nearly as stable as the R4's at the conventional wheel postion, shallow dish wheel out and bracketed on the outside (ie the second position). I nearly rolled my tractor twice due to a front wheel burying in mud on a steep hill and the back end kicking over. Perhaps this would be made better if one has the wheels set maximally wide, but that to me looks ridiculous and inhibits getting into tighter places. But, it is safer. Bear in mind most R1 tires are quite a bit taller than their R4 counterparts and will make most tractors ride higher and thusly be a bit less stable. For all these reasons I went back with the R4's but I really enjoyed the additional box blade pull and drawbar pull given by the R1's. For me though, R4's were the better choice and I have been happy with them.

John M
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #115  
I had to get r1's on mine due to the slope and wet conditions. I have a 3130 but put wheels and tires on from the dealer from a 3830 when I purchased new. I feel they actually give me the floatation on lawns etc in 2 wd and really have the bite in Mud and on slopes in 4WD. Everyone has different needs and this works for me.
 

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   / R4's are USELESS! #116  
johnk said:
I had to get r1's on mine due to the slope and wet conditions. I have a 3130 but put wheels and tires on from the dealer from a 3830 when I purchased new. I feel they actually give me the floatation on lawns etc in 2 wd and really have the bite in Mud and on slopes in 4WD. Everyone has different needs and this works for me.

Yeah, R1s for me too. It would be nice to be able to always havethe right tire for the job, but for traction and wide ranging competence Ill put up with the marks they make until they develop a tire with morphing tread.

I guess youve lowered the tire pressure since that pic was taken.
larry
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #117  
Never touched the tire pressure. I'm usually on slopes and in mud. They work great..
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #118  
I love my R4s! I have never had any traction issues (although I do have 4wd).. I have logged in the woods, in hilly and muddy conditions, plowed driveways in the winter, etc etc. And yet I can mow my yard with my finish mower and not tear up the grass. I also like the fact that they are nearly impossible to puncture. But to each their own. I think if traction were your highest priority, R1s would seem to be the best choice. I think if you have a 4wd machine, you can more easily get away with R4's.
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #119  
When I was in West Virginia I ran R1s because of the soft ground in the summer and snow in the winter. Now, in the northern California coastal range forest I have R4s. I made this decision because:

More water balast (don't need antifreeze) and lower stance improves stability on my very steep ground.

The ground is so hard in the summer that contact patch area is more important than big lugs.

In the winter, when it rains, only the surface gets slippery, but below the ground is still too hard for lugs to penetrate.

R4s are much more puncture proof in the woods.

The dealer agreed and I am happy with my decision. Steve
 
   / R4's are USELESS! #120  
I have read this forum and found it to be very informational. Mostly the discussion has been around the difference between the R4 and R1. I am thinking about getting the 3720 cab for use with the new lot that I just purchased. I will, in the beginning, be using the tractor for FEL landscaping property preparation work. After my shed and house is built, then the tractor will mostly be used for mowing around 6-7 acres of irrigated lawn and snowblowing with a 3pth snowblower and FEL. Today at the dealership I had one salesman telling me that I should order it with the R3 (turf) tires so that I wouldn't cause marks in my lawn. The other salesman told me to order it with the R4 tires so that I wouldn't be dissapointed in the FEL work capabilities when I am doing my landscaping and snow removal. I will now ask you (more experienced) to help me with this delemma. The big question is....Would the R4 tires mark the irrigated lawn and would the R3 tires make the loader/dirtwork mostly useless????

Thanks,
DW
 

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