Refinery on fire, Gas prices to follow

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Wow, oil stocks and crude oil futures are all crashing way down....

Not only that, but alternative bio-energy sources like biodiesel and ethanol are being hit even harder, forcing them to not even be able to make a profit (they really wouldn't ever be profitable without the taxpayers giving them money but this just makes it impossible even with all the taxpayers money going down the drain), even with the huge government subsides they receive for every gallon!

"Since Jan. 3, ethanol futures contracts on the Chicago Board of Trade have dropped 24.9% to $1.87 a gallon yesterday. Crude prices fell 13.4% in that period. Ethanol is off 55.8% since its peak price on June 20. On average, according to Goldman Sachs, corn represents 60% of the variable cost of an ethanol plant, and power costs including natural gas represent 25%. Corn closed at a 10-year high yesterday of $4.1225 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade, and prices have doubled over the past 12 months."

"Archer-Daniels-Midland Co. is the largest ethanol producer based on gallons produced. Large grain producers in the Farm Belt, like ADM, have made investments in part based on high oil prices."

"According to Credit Suisse research, ethanol makers were able to pull off a profit of 86 cents a gallon in the middle of the summer when oil was around $70 a barrel and corn was just $2.50 a bushel. Today, with oil near $50 and corn above $4, they incur a loss of 21 cents for every gallon they produce."

The new super huge soybean plant and shipping port in Brazil that CarGill built to export soybeans to the USA after stripping, denuding, and burning over a 100,000 square miles of the Amazon jungle and forest for planting soybeans is sitting idle.....
 
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SkyPup said:
Wow, oil stocks and crude oil futures are all crashing way down....

"Pump prices may inch down more "
"By MADLEN READ, AP Business Writer


NEW YORK - The headlines say oil prices have fallen 15 percent this year. Gas station receipts tell a different story — the cost of filling 'er up has slipped from about $35 to $33. Big deal.
The cost will probably drop further, but drivers shouldn't hope for a big windfall at the pump: there's a lot more that goes into gasoline prices than the current cost of crude oil......"


Could REFINERIES be a big part of the price puzzle ???? , As the title of this thread implies. Over a year ago, Hurricane Katrina shut down the refineries in the Gulf Coast, most were shut down in anticipation of the hurricane, most came back online soon after, some were damaged and took longer to come back online. But the Refineries were one of the major reasons given for gas rising above $3.00
SkyPup said:
Not only that, but alternative bio-energy sources like biodiesel and ethanol are being hit even harder, forcing them to not even be able to make a profit (they really wouldn't ever be profitable without the taxpayers giving them money but this just makes it impossible even with all the taxpayers money going down the drain), even with the huge government subsides they receive for every gallon!

Does anybody know if the gov't subsidizes the biomedical research
community ???????? ;)

Buck

P.S. We should all hug a tree tonight, especially one from the "Amazon Jungle"
 
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UncleBuck01 said:
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Could REFINERIES be a big part of the price puzzle ???? ,



Nope, that is just myoptic wishful thinking.

European diesel comsumption has increased to over 50%, so they are just exporting their refined waste products (gasoline) over here to meet demand, although demand is decreasing now........

Hug a tree today, you'll be glad you did! :D
 
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SkyPup said:
Nope, that is just myoptic wishful thinking.
myop t ic, Is that "CLINGON" or "ROMULIN" :p


SkyPup said:
European diesel comsumption has increased to over 50%, so they are just exporting their refined waste products (gasoline) over here to meet demand, although demand is decreasing now........
Are you referring to when the U.S. convinced the Europeans (NATO), our allies to release some of their gasoline reserves. Which helped ease our skyrocketing gas prices due to the shut down of our refineries, because of Katrina.
Now Talking myopic, you think Europe, I think Universe, :cool: ,I think
we should be using those "DI LITHIUM CRYSTALS" that power that Starship you use, Capt. KIRK won't mind. Remember, SPOCK'S words " the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few"


SkyPup said:
Hug a tree today, you'll be glad you did! :D
I did more than just hugged a tree today, I DISSECTED, MUTILATED, a dozen trees and now in the process of BURNING the evidence of this action :eek:
 
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I planted four new live oaks this weekend and a couple of red maples!

Gotta love green! :D
 
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I would plant a tree to if I didn't think it would get frostbite. ;)
 
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UncleBuck01 said:
I could possibly live without everything but my boat and tractor :D ,without them I would un-retire :eek:

I'm not sure I can rate my tractor in the same catagory as my boat. :eek:
 

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