Renting out your tractor

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bxowner

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Hi, all.

I'm in the process of establishing a business and plan to buy a 5000-series Deere. To justify the expense, I've found 2 farms that are willing to rent the tractor. Any thoughts on what I should be charging? Per hour, I'd guess, rather than per day? It'd be owned under an LLC, so I'm not really concerned with liability - and they are friends that I would trust would care for my tractor as well as they do for their own.
 
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I myself would never loan or rent my tractor out. To many times it has caused problems when something broke and it was always "It was like that when I got it" attitude. But if you still want to rent it out I would call a local rental store and see what they are rent there tractors for.
 
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I think that it will be impossible to find a price that will let you ever stay 'friends'. At the end of the day, someone is not gonna be happy... I keep getting these 'rented mule' jokes flash accross my mind, too .... Good luck, Jerry.. :)
 
   / Renting out your tractor #4  
I'm with the previous respondents; too many pitfalls along the way. You also have to take account of the tractor insurance -- regular policies would not cover losses incurred if the tractor is rented out.

Nonetheless, I like the idea of checking local rental companies for their rates if you decide to proceed. I'm guessing they have figured out the rates that cover their costs and allow a profit. FWIW, tractor rental rates in Iowa average $0.25/HP hour and range from $0.12 to $0.50/HP hour: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/publications/FM1698.pdf. I don't have a clue as to how these rates differ across regions.

Steve
 
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Not a good idea. Won't work out in the end. Wear and tear will cost you in the end. I rent bigger machines for about 4 hundred bucks a day from equipment rental places. I doubt a farmer will pay that to you, especially having to worry about equipment failure and you having lack of insurance for something breaking on the machine that may be questionable of operator error. Sounds like you just want a machine that is above your budget and your trying to find a way to het it. Don't do it this way
 
   / Renting out your tractor #6  
I agree with most, probably not the best idea.
 
   / Renting out your tractor #7  
If you want to remain friends I would not rent it out to them. Never rent out your tractor or chainsaw. :D

Ken
 
   / Renting out your tractor #8  
the only way i would tell them u come with the tractor if u have the time to run it at there place if not leave the tractor sit at home that way like others said it would be broken
 
   / Renting out your tractor #9  
Simply said, good thought, bad idea. I have a hard time letting my dad use my tractor.

When something goes wrong, who's going to pay for the repair?
 
   / Renting out your tractor #10  
Hi, all.

I'm in the process of establishing a business and plan to buy a 5000-series Deere. To justify the expense, I've found 2 farms that are willing to rent the tractor. Any thoughts on what I should be charging? Per hour, I'd guess, rather than per day? It'd be owned under an LLC, so I'm not really concerned with liability - and they are friends that I would trust would care for my tractor as well as they do for their own.

Depending upon what your business is, it could be a good idea. I own an agricultural & ground works business in Spain, and although most of our work is done using our own drivers, we do occasionally let kit go out on self drive. Just a few things to consider first:

1 - On self drive, I always charge by the day. An hourly rate is fine, but then you would also need to allow for delivery / collection of the machine, and trust the hirer to keep an accurate record of hours worked (remember the hour meter normally records hours at 1500 rpm - so almost certainly wouldn't reflect the actual time worked, and an idling engine wears just as quick as one that's at working speed.

2 - Check your insurance, and make sure you are covered for hire / reward. With regard theft etc... we make any hirer (including close friends) sign a legal waiver that it is their responsibility to have the machine insured against theft and damage. Ifthey choose not to insure it, then the waiver means we could pursue any costs through court (not that we've ever needed to).

3 - The tractor will need to be kept in tip top condition, with all safety equipment and decals fitted, otherwise you could open yourself up to an unwelcome claim against you if an accident happens. As it will be owned by an LLC you may also need to prepare risk asessments for daily checks and routine operations - in the UK this is now mandatory for all hire equipment.

Just a few ideas - in my experience letting machinery out on self drive can be costly, and definately don't expect it to stay shiny for very long! Even friends will abuse your kit in ways that you simply wouldn't do...

A possible alternative would be to set up a machinery ring. It is like self drive, but you would agree in advance how many days the other farms would definately use the machine in 12 months, and apportion all running (insurance, tax etc) and routine maintenance costs accordingly. For example say the machine works 300 days per year, 100 days of which are on the other farms - they would need to pay 33% of the annual running costs & maintenance. You may also ask them to pay 33% of the purchase cost, or simply charge a fee to reflect that you still have sole ownership. If the other farms require the machine more than 100 days (or the time apportioned), then agree a set price in advance for additional use.

Machinery rings such as this are now proving very popular in europe, as it allows farmers and small business to invest in new machinery which is often only required for short periods, but frequently (eg. harvest machinery / loaders etc...)
 
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Well personally I would not rent/loan, especially to friends or family.

My brush hog busted a seal in the gearbox. It had about 5 hours on it. Whom would you have blamed, them, you, or just equipment failure. This is just an example of what could happen.

But if you are intent on renting it, then I would probably say $50/hr.
 
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The best response to "Renting or Borrowing" I have ever heard was when I heard a farmer respond this way to a request to either rent or borrow a tractor. His response was "Son I don't rent or let people borrow my tractors or wife". I thought this was a good response and have adopted the old fellows philosophy.
 
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I have always found that what others consider "normal use" I consider abuse or neglect.
 
   / Renting out your tractor #14  
I have lent out my landscape rake to my neighbor before. I left it at his place for 2 weeks and when i got it back it was washed and looked better than when I brought it down there. Since then I havent lent out any other machinery but I can say I would lend out another implement to that neighbor if he needed one for a few days. Otherwise if my machine leaves home I go with it and I am the only one that runs it. :thumbsup:
 
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Gator6x4 said:
The best response to "Renting or Borrowing" I have ever heard was when I heard a farmer respond this way to a request to either rent or borrow a tractor. His response was "Son I don't rent or let people borrow my tractors or wife". I thought this was a good response and have adopted the old fellows philosophy.

Well I would rent my wife, but not my truck or tractor. LOL. OK, I wouldn't rent the wife, well maybe if I could buy a new tractor or truck.
 
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Don't know how rentals work out there, but when I have rented like a tractor etc here they will only take payment by credit card which must have a minimum balance of X number of $. You bring it back busted get ready for a big hit on your card.
 
   / Renting out your tractor #17  
In the past when I have lent tools to friends, neighbors and family the majority of the time there were problems.
 
   / Renting out your tractor #18  
bxowner said:
Hi, all.

I'm in the process of establishing a business and plan to buy a 5000-series Deere. To justify the expense, I've found 2 farms that are willing to rent the tractor. Any thoughts on what I should be charging? Per hour, I'd guess, rather than per day? It'd be owned under an LLC, so I'm not really concerned with liability - and they are friends that I would trust would care for my tractor as well as they do for their own.

You might be better off if you still want to charge them, then charge them less than what is average but work in a deal that if they have a piece of equipment you could borrow once in a while, that would be a little payment sort of. That way they don't feel like they're getting ripped off by their friend and your getting some money for repairs.
 
   / Renting out your tractor #19  
You didn't state whether you were buying a new or used tractor. If new, there is normally a "break in" period normally associated with the first 50 hours of use. I agree with the comments made by the majority of previous members. I think that you, yourself, would be more apt in taking care of and maintaining your tractor than someone else. One thought comes to mind: "Rode HARD and put up WET".
 
   / Renting out your tractor #20  
Several years ago loaned my bob cat to a neighbor for a few days. When the machine came back the head was cracked. Of course they claimed it was running fine when they returned it. After that no one borrows my equipment. No good deed goes unpunished. I wouldn't rent my tractor or any other equipment.
 

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