Older Deere or Newer Kioti

[pfettig77]

What troubles with the CS line?
I would not consider Deere simply because of it not having a QASS on its front-end loader. Deere has their own front end mounting equipment; hence you have to use their Deere forks, grapple, etc.

He said nearly all of their warranty work has been on that line. I honestly can't remember what he said specifically.

I probably won't put anything but a bucket on anyway, but couldn't a person just put an QASS on the front of a Deere?

 

[pfettig77]

Move 4x4 round bales or harvest? All of these choices are rather small for 51 acres and baling hay.

I would be baling. Hesston makes a 4x4 baler and it can be ued with a 30hp machine. People do it too. I only have 10 acres of hay and I don't really mind spending time on the machine. Like I said, I think I could bale it with the Ferguson if whatever I end up buying doesn't work out.

 

[TractorTYMe]

TYM makes their own machines too 100% They do source engines from Deutz and Yanmar on a few models.

 

[D&D]

I would be baling. Hesston makes a 4x4 baler and it can be ued with a 30hp machine. People do it too. I only have 10 acres of hay and I don't really mind spending time on the machine. Like I said, I think I could bale it with the Ferguson if whatever I end up buying doesn't work out.

Isn’t that 30 pto hp requirement ?

 

[pfettig77]

I wish I knew more about Kioti tractors, but I don't. The ones you've found with those kind of low hours do become attractive. Also HP vs emissions. Some of my neighbors have bought Kiotis and they worked for them - though they moved to different brands when updating. One to Kubota and one to JD..
Not sure what makes the Kioti loaders different, do you know? But in general I do know that loader specs can be and are manipulated by tractor manufacturers. And have heard that Kioti is known for being "optomistic" there. So I'm saying use the grain of salt - be careful comparing based on numbers for lift specs. Are specs taken at the pins or forward in the bucket? Is Lift to Full Height or Low height? Is the bucket weight included or not?

In general with that much land have you considered the next size larger tractors? I'm not a cab guy, but as I'm getting into my 80s I do see the attraction.

On the 3720, I like them too....but pushing 4000 hours on a 13 year old tractor might be OK for the basics engine and rolling gear, but we both know that many hours on a smallish tractor means you are asking for a lot of deferred maintenance and wrench time. So I'd say no on that 3720. Just too many hours. Also NO to anything at auction. Don't even go there.

So I've got some more thoughts, but would like to hear which ways you are leaning and more about what you want to do.

rScotty

That's what I keep thinking too. It's not that I don't think the Yanmar engine can't handle that many hours, it's that the rest of the machine is probably going to require frequent small repairs.

Regarding the loader: I don't know what makes the loaders so capable - bigger rams? I do know that the difference between Kioti and Deere lift capacities is legit per tests done by owners and reviewers. Deere isn't known for impressive specs in that regard. Some say they do it on purpose so suburban homeowners and soccer moms don't try to overdo it with their loads.

 

[pfettig77]

We have 130ac, most steep Mtn land, the rest bottom land pasture. I initially thought a CK30 would be big enough to handle whatever task I picked on....nope. The loader strained picking up round bales, and overall I just needed a little more HP. Traded it in on a DK40 and it's done it all, so far about 1700hrs on it. A head gasket under warranty is the only thing that I did not break. I have a reoccurring front axle bearing tissue, but I did a zillion hrs in 4wd moving logs around for my sawmill & house build....so I take partial blame for that.

Jmho, I think you need a bigger tractor for 50+ac. A 40-50 horse would be handier and pick up around 2600lbs at the pins. I am pretty sure it will handle what ever you throw at it unlike something smaller. My DK30 was an '06, the DK40 is an '08.

If I had to do it again, I would still buy the Kioti.

That's awesome. I haven't heard of many Kiotis with that many hours.
I wouldn't mind getting a bigger tractor, but the bigger you go, the more money. I could theoretically get a bigger one that's really old and has lots of hours.
I keep reading about matching the size of a new tractor to your acreage. I kinda don't get that. If I had more or less land why would I want to scoop bigger or smaller loads or why would the weeds I'm mowing be any thicker? Shouldn't it be more about what type of land and what you intend to do with it? I've been here 20 years and all I've had is a 70 year old 33hp tractor. I never thought of it as being under powered - I just want 4WD and a loader. (This isn't a response to your comment, but rather what I've been reading in general.)

 

[pfettig77]

Isn’t that 30 pto hp requirement ?

Yes. My Ferguson has about 30 at the PTO. If I got a CUT I'd have to get something in the upper 30HP or 40HP (like the 3720 I listed) to run that baler.

 

[DK35vince]

That's awesome. I haven't heard of many Kiotis with that many hours.

I have a 2001 Kioti DK 35 with 2530 hours.
I've been very pleased with it.

 

[pfettig77]

Isn’t that 30 pto hp requirement ?

Yes. My Ferguson has about 30 at the PTO. If I got a CUT I'd have to get something in the upper 30HP or 40HP (like the 3720 I listed) to run that baler.

 

[pfettig77]

TYM makes their own machines too 100% They do source engines from Deutz and Yanmar on a few models.

I didn't realize that. It's hard to keep everything straight. Do you own one?