Resolving self leveling dislike

[Boss 302]

Your pic of the RX6010 is accurate to what mine is, as I noted earlier you do not need that much dump angle, remember the law of gravity. Also to answer Xfaxman, modifying the bale spear won't keep dirt or gravel from falling out of the bucket. One of the problems with the self-loader is the curl cylinders are too long and as noted earlier most of the dump on a self-leveler comes from the mechanical arms moving forward. My bale spear is just like any other that's attached to the quick attach plate and with the self-leveler it isn't enough rollback when on slopes. This is just one man's opinion so please don't get offended when I say this but, I think the self-leveler is probably fine for the average homeowner doing odd jobs with his tractor but, for the farmer/construction duties it falls well short of adequate. BTW: shortening the tube that's attached to the triangular brackets isn't an option as the triangular bracket bottoms out as it rolls back.

 

[npalen]

I've seen loaders that offered two pivot locations on those triangular plates. One position would give more curl and less dump, while the other position would be the opposite. Actually, there was a tractor with a loader like this for sale last week but I didn't think about saving a picture of that before the tractor was sold.

Cutting the links that Xfaxman pointed out in post #16 may or may not work, because of the way the linkage sits when the loader is lowered all the way.

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A little closer view.
Edit: Well maybe not a whole lot closer.

 

[K5lwq]

What if you made some shorter linkages that go to the bucket? Not sure how much extension the cylinder has when dumping but maybe there is enough.

 

[ptsg]

Your pic of the RX6010 is accurate to what mine is, as I noted earlier you do not need that much dump angle, remember the law of gravity. Also to answer Xfaxman, modifying the bale spear won't keep dirt or gravel from falling out of the bucket. One of the problems with the self-loader is the curl cylinders are too long and as noted earlier most of the dump on a self-leveler comes from the mechanical arms moving forward. My bale spear is just like any other that's attached to the quick attach plate and with the self-leveler it isn't enough rollback when on slopes. This is just one man's opinion so please don't get offended when I say this but, I think the self-leveler is probably fine for the average homeowner doing odd jobs with his tractor but, for the farmer/construction duties it falls well short of adequate. BTW: shortening the tube that's attached to the triangular brackets isn't an option as the triangular bracket bottoms out as it rolls back.

Not offended by any means but farmer/construction tasks, including homeowner tasks, are exactly where self leveling loaders shine and are used the most. At least on this side of the pond anyways. Just guessing a number here, but I would say over 80% of the loaders are self leveling, either mechanically or hydraulically, that only means it works well. Then again, the loaders will get quite a bit more curl/rollback than the Kioti one, at least from looking at pictures on Google.

Looks to me that you're just experiencing some less than ideal design on the mechanism for the self leveling.

Here are two pictures comparing both. Left is mechanical self leveling and right is hydraulic self leveling. The right one gets the same curl as the non self leveling loaders. The left one curls a little bit less than the other.

 

[ovrszd]

I agree with Pedro. The problem isn't that it's a self leveling bucket. The problem is the design. Personally, I'm not intelligent enough to offer a solution based on given information.

My Ford TLB is self leveling. It's awesome for moving bucket loads of material. Would also be awesome for bale forks. It dumps fine at any height. It carries a full bucket of material at any height. Fill the bucket on the ground, roll it back all the way, raise the FEL to it's max height without rollback adjustment, no spillage.

 

[LouNY]

Not offended by any means but farmer/construction tasks, including homeowner tasks, are exactly where self leveling loaders shine and are used the most. At least on this side of the pond anyways. Just guessing a number here, but I would say over 80% of the loaders are self leveling, either mechanically or hydraulically, that only means it works well. Then again, the loaders will get quite a bit more curl/rollback than the Kioti one, at least from looking at pictures on Google.

Looks to me that you're just experiencing some less than ideal design on the mechanism for the self leveling.

Here are two pictures comparing both. Left is mechanical self leveling and right is hydraulic self leveling. The right one gets the same curl as the non self leveling loaders. The left one curls a little bit less than the other.

Evening ptsg;
Could you get more pictures of the hydraulic self leveling?
Looking at the picture of the one on the right, I'm not seeing as to how it would be able to self level.
Is there linkage hidden in the main boom arms to the bucket?
It looks to me almost like its just a lift assist for raising.

Thanks
Lou

 

[ptsg]

Evening ptsg;
Could you get more pictures of the hydraulic self leveling?
Looking at the picture of the one on the right, I'm not seeing as to how it would be able to self level.
Is there linkage hidden in the main boom arms to the bucket?
It looks to me almost like its just a lift assist for raising.

Thanks
Lou

Yes sir, I can.

The hydraulic self leveling is done with the two short cylinders just above the lift cylinders. These cylinders are tied into the the curl/dump circuits, so it always gives feedback so the bucket stays level every time. This system doesn't lose position like some systems that use an hydraulic self leveling valve do. There is a lot of math and geometry going behind this that's just a little too much for me to explain right.

With either type of self leveling, hydraulic or mechanic, there is an instance that an extra relief valve is needed to avoid breaking stuff. That instance happens when the loader is down and the bucket is fully dumped, if the operator tried to lift the loader, the mechanical linkage or fluid in case of hydraulic, would try to dump the bucket further than it can go and something would break. To avoid this, they put a relief valve that dumps the fluid from the extending side of the curl cylinders to the retracting/rod side of the lifting cylinders.

Here is a close up picture of these smaller cylinders.

Just clocked midnight here, well 30-ish minutes ago anyway. Happy New Year everyone!

 

[IndyJay]

Yes sir, I can.

The hydraulic self leveling is done with the two short cylinders just above the lift cylinders. These cylinders are tied into the the curl/dump circuits, so it always gives feedback so the bucket stays level every time. This system doesn't lose position like some systems that use an hydraulic self leveling valve do. There is a lot of math and geometry going behind this that's just a little too much for me to explain right.

With either type of self leveling, hydraulic or mechanic, there is an instance that an extra relief valve is needed to avoid breaking stuff. That instance happens when the loader is down and the bucket is fully dumped, if the operator tried to lift the loader, the mechanical linkage or fluid in case of hydraulic, would try to dump the bucket further than it can go and something would break. To avoid this, they put a relief valve that dumps the fluid from the extending side of the curl cylinders to the retracting/rod side of the lifting cylinders.

Here is a close up picture of these smaller cylinders.

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Just clocked midnight here, well 30-ish minutes ago anyway. Happy New Year everyone!

Happy New Year to you too Pedro, we are still 4 hours away from 2022.

 

[Fixastuff]

Wouldn't it be easier to change the bucket attachment points and keep then self level feature?

 

[Oz_Kioti]

Also does anyone have recommendation on where I can purchase a good quality paint that matches the Kioti orange?

After I added a grill guard, I checked with my local Kioti dealer for a spray can of Kioti orange, but they were out of stock, so I visited a spray shop.

After visually matching the original guard frame with different swatch books, we (not the "Royal" we!) made a selection, and it was as close as we reckoned we would ever get. He mixed up a litre for me.



After re-spraying the frame, I can see that the frame is a touch darker than the original. Here are two shots, from different angles:



However, a wide view shows that depending of the angle of the light, the tractor looks like MANY shades of orange:



So who's going to notice anyway?

EDIT: And yes, I too wish it crowded a bit more. I have to take it easy going downhill with a load of anything in the 4-in-1 bucket to help prevent things/bits from falling off the front edge.