RTV900 vs a Diesel HPX

[MessickFarmEqu]

but I already knew that the HPX will out pull the RTV, at least that's what hear... on level ground.

I don't see how thats possible. The RTV is heavier and has a vastly superior transmission, there is no reason that a gator should be able to out pull it - unless maybe your sitting in 6" of Mud and just happen to only have traction available at the front side tire.

 

[TOMMYHPX4X4]

I don't see how thats possible. The RTV is heavier and has a vastly superior transmission, there is no reason that a gator should be able to out pull it - unless maybe your sitting in 6" of Mud and just happen to only have traction available at the front side tire.

i think it would be a really good thing to try and see the out come of the two pulling agains each other.the rtv has the weigh advatage and the transmission advantage too. but you have to look at who gets the first bite of traction off the line.i think the rtv would pull the hpx (older hpx's that is)but the newer ones with full time 4 wheel drive would give them some trouble .like i said it all boils down to who gets traction. people brag about thier rhino's with thier big 660's in them but hey i drug one with my hpx he was way too light and had no traction what so ever.but my opinion is that the rtv will out pull the hpx on dry ground. atleast i think so.

 

[nolefan]

When I first saw that comment a few days ago I questioned It as well. I tried to get some information specs on both before I gave my 2 cents but didn't find anything that would convince me either way. The JD website lists torque ratings for the HPX but the Kubota site doesn't. There is a HP rating for the RTV on the Kubota website but no HP rating that I could find on the JD site. The Kubota does have a displacement advantage as well as weight advantage but does not have the limited slip feature that the HPX has on the front axle. I tend to agree with TommyHXP4X4 but it would sure be fun to see a best 2 out of 3 on different surfaces.

 

[darkday]

Well I just did some figuring, while it doesn't mean much however.

The kubota has 35.5 ft lbs of torque at 3200 RPM (peak hp). The diesel HPX has only 33 ft lbs at it HIGHEST point (3350rpm). depending on what the torque curve is of the RTV it could be a good bit higher for it's max who knows. The gas gator is roughly the same at 32 ft lbs of torque at its highest (2500 RPM). Kind of interesting to think about. I would have thought the HPX would have beaten it pretty easy just thinking about it and not looking at any numbers.

 

[toolnut]

I'm not sure I can add much to the "who can outpull who" debate, ( honestly it's not going to influence my decision...), but the JD dealer with whom I was speaking claimed that there was some informal demo's going on at the PA "ag days" fair in State College where he witnessed just that. He was the first to admit that the RTX has other advantages, with it's power steering and more advanced transmission, but for the record he said the HPX could still outpull the RTV on level ground. I suspect it was just the locking front diff that might have made enough of a difference, I wish I had seen it first hand...

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[TOMMYHPX4X4]

lookin at darkdays numbers i'm kinda goin with the hpx now.but i allways was an hpx fan. we'll just have to try it one day. oh and man them gorillas are butt ugly man.lol

 

[johndeerefarmer]

Yea, notice how they totally neglect to point out that all you have to do is pull the diff lock lever on the Kubota. They lock the diff on their machine, but not on the Kubota. Sad thing is some people never realize how they skew these things.

Sad thing is that you don't know what you are talking about... The diff lock only locks the rear wheels.

I would hate to buy one of those Kubota's from you, since YOU tend to skew things..

 

[jcmseven]

I realize this is an older post, but since we had a recent post, I wanted (again) to chime in about some of the recent opinions about pulling. I do not know whether a Gator would outpull a Kubota RTV (except that the new XUV Gator apparently pulled about everything around Florida at the new product show) but what I can say is that the Gator will pull a lot and that pulling power and ability is more than just weight and transmission. Frame design and even the placement of the hitch pins makes a big difference. John Deere is great about things such as this, as they really "get into" engineering (not to say that Kubota does not though). I had a little X 595 which could pull and push monstrous amounts of weight, even though it with filled tires only weighed 1300#. I pulled my wife's SUV out of a ditch when my neighbor with a small framed "real" tractor which was somewhat larger and heavier, but with gear drive, could not. He was amazed. The reason: four wheel drive, hydro and most importantly good frame design which allowed for efficient power transfer. This is seen in pulling tractors often where raw HP often does not win. I do not often believe company-sponsored ads though, but the JD ad makes a good point. The Kubota does not have a locking front differential, and this is not a good thing on an otherwise good machine. I would seriously consider an RTV myself, and I am a JD man, if it had such. I believe to compete with all the latest UTV offerings, especially the XUV JD, Kubota will need a locking diff in the front on the new 1100. As for Mr. Messick, I do not agree with johndeerefarmer (although I like his handle and look forward to his posts), I believe Mr. Messick was honestly mistaken and I think him to be a knowledgeable dealer who would not intentionally skew the data.

John M

 

[Engine_Tech]

A Gator really will outpull at RTV, especially if the RTV is in the top ranges. An RTV has to be in lowest range to pull what a Gator will in high range. That's a limitation of the hydrostatic trans in the RTV. Plus, once the Gator gets going you've got all of your speed available. You can't shift the RTV to a higher range under load, so you are stuck crawling.

I saw this at the JD intro in Florida as well, and there was no monkeying around with the machines to make one win. There were dealers there that also sold both Kubota and Polaris and they tried to find fault with the tests and couldn't. They were humbled a bit.

 

[Dargo]

My only complaint to JD is that they are not offering a full factory cab w/ A/C and the works. Plus, it's bad enough to still use a belt drive system, but to not even offer an enclosed belt drive on their diesel units??? I'll readily admit that I'm more of a JD guy, but for my needs, I'll still have to give the nod to the new Kubota RTV1100 as compared to JD's new Gator offering. What a bummer! I guarantee you that I'm not the only person with those complaints. I want creature comfort and to not have to worry about snow or a small water crossing leaving me dead in my tracks.

It just eludes me as to why their pulling contest is so important. They'll never pull like a tractor anyway and I've not heard complaints from the owners of any UTV about their ability to pull something. Heck, I have a 12,000 pound 4X4 tractor with 100 hp for pulling. I want a UTV to be able to do some reasonable work, and get me around in comfort. Kubota is killing JD because JD's emphasis is in the wrong place. Heck, Kubota has sold thousands on their sheer unit strength and power steering alone. Still, from what I see, JD doesn't even have that yet. The reason I bought my first Kubota tractor was because JD told me that they saw absolutely no market in the 40 hp range for a cab tractor. Like thousands of others, I switched to Kubota then; and loved the tractor. It took JD about 10 years to catch up with that issue. Hopefully it doesn't take them 10 years to catch up with Kubota on the UTV scene as well! C'mon JD!! There's plenty of guys like me with money burning a hole in my pocket for a nice UTV with all the creature comforts and is well built to boot.

I guess if I really wanted the best of everything, I could just put twin turbos on the RTV1100 and an aftermarket locker in the front end. As much as I like JD, I doubt they could hold a candle in pulling power to a 45 hp diesel UTV that weighs over 2600 pounds and will pull with all four wheels. If JD's not interested in that market, I suppose that'll have to be what I do. I guess I'll have to buy the camo model so it won't clash with my other JD products.