running hyd off my 8n to run a log splitter

[LD1]

The N series Ford would not plough the clay here even with just a 2X12".

Something even 99% of modern sub-30hp tractors cannot accomplish. Whats your point?

Its still a tractor. A "real" one. By todays standards, or tomorrows standards, or any other standard you want to come up with.

 

[94BULLITT]

wrong

3pt on 1953 on the model JD 40. Had live hydraulics too which the Ford still lacked. Real working brakes, a drawbar, dual rockshaft, an SCV and six different chassis variations.
The patent ran out on the 3point hitch and Henry Ford ended his handshake deal with Ferguson minutes afterwards. Then Ford "threw Ferguson under the bus" . The 3 point hitch wasn't even a Ford idea.
The early N's did not have a factory drawbar and instead used the 3pt. Only a 3 speed trans with ta too fast 1st. Towed loads were too often attached to the 3pt and raised or to the top link attachment point because the lightweight Fords lacked pulling power. Hence the rash of squashed Ford operators found under N series Fords.
The N series Ford would not plough the clay here even with just a 2X12".
The Ford was popular because it was the the cheapest tractor on the market. Ford had an established dealer and distribution network. Ford tractors had automatic brand loyalty with Ford highway vehicle owners. The Ford or anything else was better than driving around a field looking up a horses behind.
Where is Ford today anyways ???

The 8N had a 4 speed trans. The brakes are way better than a 2n or 9n. They are enough to stop the tractor. In 53 Ford had live hydraulics on the NAA.

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[Arc weld]

"The patent ran out on the 3point hitch and Henry Ford ended his handshake deal with Ferguson minutes afterwards. Then Ford "threw Ferguson under the bus" . The 3 point hitch wasn't even a Ford idea."

Nobody said the 3 pt. hitch. was Fords idea. Ford had the manufacturing and distribution Ferguson needed and they went into a partnership. Henry Ford saw the potential of the 3 pt. hitch. Henry Ford II is the one that threw Ferguson under the bus. The patents hadn't expired and that's why Ferguson won one of the largest and most famous lawsuits in history. The original lawsuit was for over $100 million. That's a lot of money in 1948! The settlement was much less but Ford had to change their design. The Ferguson tractor of the same era as the 8N also sold over 500,000 copies. Ferguson never made automobiles. So just how many JD 40's with 3 pt. were built and why don't they have a bigger cult following than the N series?

Where's the list of people squashed by N series tractors? People have been killed on JD tractors as well. Basic math will tell you that higher numbers of tractors built will result in a higher number of accidents on those models. It's not the tractors fault people for people's stupidity. Ford got out of the tractor business but is a much bigger company than JD. JD has some smart people though. The AG market was in serious decline and they were smart enough to realize they needed to go into a different market. That's why they went into the turf/golf equipment business. There aren't anywhere near the number of specialized turf equipment manufacturers as farm equipment. Some of their first equipment wasn't very good. JD also sources out a lot of equipment (Ag and turf) from other manufacturers.

You really should get your facts straight before you start knocking tractors that were the most copied design ever and continue to be to this day. How do you argue with over 1 million of basically the same design sold? It's not because they were cheaper, they were revolutionary. That's why JD COPIED them. The Fast hitch or Eagle hitch aren't the ones that everybody else copied. The 3 pt. hitch has been labelled as the greatest innovation in modern farming. No matter how hard you try, you can't argue with that.

 

[buickanddeere]

Per 1000 tractors a Ford N series is involved in more roll overs than any other model.

As for a following I see more JD's at antique shows than Fords.

Copied design? Even the steam engines used the same basic automotive layout.

Deere did alright building 48,998 model 40's in three production years 53-55. Plus 4 or 5 other models at the same time.
How many models and total tractors did Deere have in production and total tractor sales to different markets from 1939-1962 ? When all Ford had was N tractors and their direct decedents the 600 & 800 series ?

Fine as long as you don't claim Ford invented or introduced the 3pt hitch.

 

[94BULLITT]

As for a following I see more JD's at antique shows than Fords.

Because the Fords are still out in the feild working.

Getting back to the 8N thing a $1500-2000 8N in some ways will out work a $15000-20000 tractor of today. The 8N's are good and usable tractors. They just are not user friendly by todays standards, like anything from the 1940's.

 

[Larro Darro]

If I can just slip into this love fest for a second.... We built a 3ph splitter and run it on our 3930's rear remotes. Even on a 39hp tractor it was slow splitting. Not to mention having to lift the rounds higher. In the end we bought a splitter.

But this reminded me I need to add another implement to that other thread...

 

[Soundguy]

wrong

correct. you are wrong.

3pt on 1953 on the model JD 40. Had live hydraulics too which the Ford still lacked.

Bzzt. sorry.. wrong answer. still suffering from a lack of not knowing what you are talking about I see. Late in 52 witht he NAA model, ford had live hyds via an engine mounted pump.

Real working brakes,

all fords left the factory with brakes.

a drawbar,

as i stated.. the 8n had provision for a swinging drawbar. since this thread was specifically asking about an -8N- I figure that's appropriate.

SCV

in late 52 with the NAA, top hyd cover was made with provision for an aux hyd scv.. you were compairing this witht he 40 in 53 earlier.. right?

The early N's did not have a factory drawbar and instead used the 3pt.

the 9n / 2n did not have provision for a swinging drawbar unless you swapped out the 100% compatible 8n center section.. however as stated.. this thread was specifically about an 8n.. it DID have the provision for a swinging drawbar.

Only a 3 speed trans with ta too fast 1st.

3 or 6 or 9 forward gears, depending on if you added an optional over, under, or combo trans... in late 47 that changed to a base 4 spd, and still the optional over, under and combo, for even more speeds.

Hence the rash of squashed Ford operators found under N series Fords.

that's a lack of education on the operator.. not based on what brand / cole tractor he operated. pulling from above the plane of the rear axle is dangerous. pulling from below the palne of the rear axle is much safer. an unsafe driver can kill himself on any color tractor.. thus that point is moot.

Where is Ford today anyways ???

Legacy product of CNH.

Turns out ford made such a good machine, that is still being widely used soo much that they lost out on resales. lets face it.. if your machines you produced inthe 50's and the 60's and the 70's are still in WIDE use.. you have limited your future sales market. they may have been some of the cheaper machines on the market.. but they are also very durable.. as evidenced by the many still in use today. you may see lots of shiney green ones in parades.. but you see lots of rusty red/grey or blue/grey ones in fields working.. that says alot.

 

[PANHAPP]

Talk about a derailed thread.

 

[Arc weld]

The 3 pt. hitch was copied by everybody. At least Case and IH tried to come with something of their own design. What did JD do? How many of the 40's had a 3 pt. hitch? You must have been traumatized by the hundreds of thousands of 8N's roaming around on the loose.:hissyfit: The 8N was a good tractor. You can't sell over 500,000 of something that doesn't work. The fact there are so many still earning their keep is testament to that.

 

[Soundguy]

Talk about a derailed thread.

that's what happens when someone comes in with a big bucket of wrong info and tries to sling it...

Brass tacks.. I'm a ford guy but like all brands.. as far as fords go.. the N series is at the very bottom of my list. I simply won't buy them.. too many better choices in the same price range... for instance.. early hundred and the naa are generally inthe same price range or a hair more than the N series..and in some cases are 2x the tractor. however.. facts are facts... I don't mind pointing out deficiencies in a machine.. you just need to get the details right when you start pointing them out