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[orangebluegreen]

Looks like the cruise has no “resume” like the bigger JD’s have. In my opinion a cruise without resume is a brick. Same goes for Kubota.

I swear the people who “design” these things must never have spent any time cutting grass on a small tractor. Maybe they should have a look at the lowly Craftsman and figure out the combination of brake and clutch in the same pedal is a pretty good idea for when one encounters bumps and needs to slow down but wants to resume their previous speed once past the obstacle. Most of us who are primarily mowing with these have no need for dual brakes, so the clutch brake setup on the CUT’s with a TRUE live independent PTO would be great. The brake on the right on Kubota’s is absolutely the most useless thing I’ve ever seen, looks impossible to use. I read the manual for the new JD and see no mention of resume, so I’ll assume it’s not there, what a disappointment. Kubota comes close with a clutch on their B7510/7610/2410 but it also disengages the mid PTO. If Sears would start building a garden tractor with a locking rear differential (traction sucks on my Craftsman) and power steering (for us guys that are getting older and less tolerant of more work than needed) IMO they could hammer the sales of CUT/SUB-CUT’s for those who don’t need a loader. I do need a loader so that’s why I’m looking, but **** frustrating to not see the simple things that are truly needed.

Almost all the small tractors I’ve looked at look like they’ve been designed by the sales committee. Along with being able to mention cruise control in their pretty color brochure (never mind it is useless) the fad of sloped hood is not so great to anyone who used a machine for construction and home building. Yes sloped may look great and give better view of the loader (same thing could be accomplished with a wide enough bucket and sloped arms, but to those of us who are used to climbing up the seat, onto the hood, and up into the loader to trim tress or nail boards etc, well....sloped isn’t such a great idea.

Are you listening Big3?

 

[rockyridgefarm]

I have the resume cruise, but when I am in the situation you describe, I am cruise off and the hst pedals do just what I want. Brake pedals? They are used for parking...

<font color="red"> but to those of us who are used to climbing up the seat, onto the hood, and up into the loader to trim tress or nail boards etc, well....sloped isn’t such a great idea. </font>

Don't worry, they ARE listening. The legal department is all over this... They really DON"T want you making a scaffold out of that tractor, There IS a conspiracy!!

 

[orangebluegreen]

Most of my property is very smooth, but after 15 years of mowing it, I know where every hole is that bounce the tires off the ground on the Craftsman, so I hit the clutch to go over them and then on my way. Seems the setup like on your 4310 would work out similar. I assume you’re able to travel faster than what the mower can do a good job at, so getting back to that correct speed without effort is the goal (assuming you mow with the 4310). Bigger tires of the CUT’s or a Ferris ZTR are likely the answer.


>>The legal department is all over this... They really DON"T want you making a scaffold out of that tractor, There IS a conspiracy!!


Guess a remote controlled loader to lift myself up and down would be out of the question then /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[rockyridgefarm]

I don't see what the difference would be mowing with any HST machine, feathereing the pedal for the bumps is their strong point. There is no need for the clutch.

I have 'heard' of a guy who cuts limbs with a gas polesaw from the raised bucket of his 4310. It really gets scary when his wife is driving said tractor at the same time... I haven't seen this myself...

Back to the thread...

I think thie hst setup would do a fine job for you, just have to think it a bit different than the Craftsman setup...

 

[megotatractor]

<font color="green"> Someone on here said the new 2305 enters the market at a lower price than the 2210. Looking closely I can see one or two visual clues to this cost saving which make me think I'm quite happy with my 2210. One; look at the new "cheap" side screens and the less surface area for cooling air to enter. The side screens on the 2210 can allow a lot of air in even if the front grill is full of dandelion fluff and other weedy lawn debirs that I get here in the country every time I mow, or the ice that builds up on the grill in winter. 2305 might get a little hot. TWO; cheap looking headlights. so, three; where else did they cut corners?? 'cept the new motor might be a bit quieter... </font>

 

[orangebluegreen]

I’m sure the HST is fine if one gets used to always having their foot on the pedal, but seems it would get monotonous. In theory cruise with resume or a clutch that does not disengage the mid PTO solves the problem of slowing for bumps. Most of us used to garden tractors are used to having our feet free and not having to use them. I often sit side saddle to watch a log or a trailer being pulled and can control movement if need be by pushing in the clutch located on the left side with my right foot. I’m obviously not the only one considering these things because JD addresses them on the bigger tractors....like the “Speedmatch” which would definitely make things easier to keep a set speed known to be just right for mowing. We have a lot of Bahia in Florida that is hard to cut at high speed, the seed stalks bend over and don’t cut unless you set the deck lower than you really care to. The speed match would be great in such case so you wouldn’t have to guess how fast you’re going after slowing up for bumps, set the Speedmatch and push the pedal to the floor. Unfortunate these options are not on the smaller JD’s. Those of us looking at the small tractors are doing so because of obstacles in the yard or we would have the biggest meanest machine one could buy.


So as not to create a new post.....

To those questioning a lower price. Consider perhaps they are already overpriced and the market has reached a level of saturation? Certainly there is enough margin for them to pull back on price especially considering the price of the competition. Increased efficiencies in manufacture, distribution etc can all be factors, doesn’t necessarily mean less quality. I would like to know if there’s a dealer hold back like auto manufactures have with their dealers. Working a price backward off MSRP is useless compared to working price UP from dealer cost.

 

[Lobo56]

Front grill looks about a 1/3 smaller then the 2210.

 

[beenthere]

The HST has probably been the most popular feature of the new CUT lines across the board, but just my opinion.
I have it and wouldn't ever imagine going back to not having hands free to steer, run the hydraulics, and pick my nose or whatever (even swat at some bugs).
I wondered about it before my first Deere 425, but have fell in love with it quickly on everything I drive now. But try it, as if running a plow across the field, or other ground engaging field equipment, then a clutch-works might be best. But for loader work, HST really beats everything it replaces. Effortless and quick forward to reverse or reverse to forward, without touching the gear shift lever. The cruise works great for any 'long distance' mundane speed. Never think about it being a chore having one foot on the forward or reverse pedals. It just rests there anyway.
Again, just my opinion. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[megotatractor]

say, would that maybe be a one piece "clamshell" hood/engine cover???

 

[JD2210MAN]

Quote... one piece "clamshell" hood/engine cover???

Looking on jdparts it is at least 5 parts (Hood, grill, left lower, right lower and rear shroud).

We only have 4 on the 2210 (Hood, grill, left and right).