should hose fitting spin on 3/8 hose

[Wayne County Hose]

Rubbish. The manufacturers name is printed on the hose as well as the origin, and they are the same.
I have called the online company, and recieved the help I needed, and recieved a follow up call after hours to see if I had worked it out.

I wont deny that running a small buisness is very expensive.
That is why products will always cost more, and why you can buy the same thing from a larger company online for less.

When someone opens a dialogue like that, they are saying that I don't know what I'm talking about. How should I react. To say all the hoses are the same is like saying all the tractors are the same. I do not make assumptions, I know facts. I never stated that auto parts stores knew nothing about hoses. I said that some see an opportunity and do a good job, others do it because they have to.

Basically, I see no need to defend myself and no longer will.

 

[Mith]

Actually, it is not the same hose and fitting

You said this in reply to my stating the hoses I had recieved from a local tractor company and an online retailer/manufacturer were the same.
I can tell you now, that they were the same hose. Same manufacturer, same hose.
I didnt say all hoses are the same, just that you can buy the same product (hose) online for less. A Kubota BX22 is the same as a Kubota BX22 even if I buy them from different dealers, one being an online dealer.

I have said enough too

 

[Soundguy]

My bad. I apologize. No harm meant. I just get fired up when there is not a level playing field.

There's alot of junk out there, but there are a few good things too. In all honesty.. i used to have my hoses made at the local hyds shop.. however it's a 90 minute round trip IF there is no traffic. To get around that.. I started using napa... hated that.. there ends blow off the hoses.. seems crimp only is biting into the rubber.

Started using TSC out of sesperation.. it's closer and cheaper than napa.

I don't use the TSC silver fittings.. in fact.. our local store only has the gold fittings.. though not a great selection. i have bought gold colored fittings from napa and from my hyds supplier in town.. got some hard to find orb to 3/8 pipe swivel fittings.

My 'home' use applications are typically 2500psi and under.. I've bene using the 4000 psi hose.. no problems yet with the tsc hose ( Had blown off ends with the napa hose though.. ).

I do agree that it is hard to do an apples to apples business with online discounters that may be using cheaper hose / ends.. IE.. apples to grapes.. etc..

soundguy

 

[Hoseman]

Just to get in on the discussion, i work for one of the biggest hose shops in the country.

We carry gates, dayco, etc for hose, but also have import brands.

I have been doing it for going on 11 years and 99% of all the hoses i have made have been at least 30% cheaper than factory, auto shops or other stores. For the most part, these other places buy from us anyway and then mark it up x amount.

If someone was to come in, we definitely try to educate them (as much as they'll allow) about fittings and whatever they are trying to do with it. Usually just where jic and sae will interchange, where it won't, not to use sealants on boss,flared or swivel fittings, etc.

The internet is a great resource for low cost hose and premade assemblies, but not all materials are made equal nowadays. We are seeing lots of defects and failures from low quality hose on a daily basis that we have to fix.

Brand names are becoming imports as well obviously, but i can assure you that the big brands like dayco, parker, aeroquip and gates will last much longer that low quality hose and fittings.

For the most part, our prices are cheaper than even internet pricing, apples to apples. Our gates hose would be a higher price than our generic brand, but our generic would be cheaper than online.

The half inch hose you got, 12 feet long with male pipe each side would have been approximately 45 bucks, give or take. The same thing in our generic (which is actually dayco brand) would have been roughly 25 bucks.

If you had come to me, instead of giving you a hose with male pipe each, then using female pipe by male o ring boss with a swivel, i would have given you a male pipe by male jic adaptor and a male o ring boss by male jic adaptor and made the hose with a female jic swivel on each side.

The hose with these 2 adaptors would be cheaper than going with male pipes and the oring boss swivel adaptor, as well as being easier to replace and easier to install. Most places that can do hose can make female jic hoses, not all will have that o ring swivel. Plus, the jic is a better seal.

Make sure to not overtighten the boss thread adaptor, hand tight and a quarter turn.

Sorry for rambling, just an interesting conversation.

Brad

 

[bjcsc]

I'm with you, Hoseman, and Wayne, too for that matter. The problem is we don't have people of ya'lls caliber running hydraulic shops around here. If either one of you were running shops here, you'd get my business. But everyone here has to make a killing - no one can make a living - that's not good enough anymore - it has to be a killing. I don't have a problem with a guy making a profit, but I won't be gouged, so I order online. I don't have any other options...

 

[Hoseman]

I hear you.

Although we do make and send hoses all thoughout the country, the time in shipping from one of our stores in Oregon to the midwest or east coast might not be worth the time it takes to receive it.

I assume our prices must be quite a bit lower than some places around Penn., i am amazed how much stuff we send over there via ups and freight truck. Heavy things like hydraulic swivels, adaptors and brass parts as well. I couldn't believe that with the freight and everything else it would still be worth it.

We actually sell our Air Pro hose to Stanley Bostich and Senco and they ship them out with the air tools. We seem to do more business east coast than we do here anymore.

Brad

 

[Wayne County Hose]

Here we go TBN, another hose guy for you. Welcome hoseman, from another hoseman. Good group of people here at TBN. I haven't made a sale on this site and don't intend to. I just like to help out my fellow farmer and rural machine owner. Hope you stick around, Andy.

 

[canoetrpr]

Hoseman, WayneCountyHouse:

I do appreciate the time that folks like you - hydraulic specialists, dealers, service techs etc. spend answering questions and contributing to this forum.

 

[jcotta]

I broke a hose fitting on a stabilizer on my JD 48. It did not like the stump that I dropped on it. Went to my local hose shop for a fix. Figured I would drop the broken hose off to be matched up and replaced within the week. My guy made up a new stabilizer hose while I waited for $28. In comparision to the hoses on the machine it seemed to be of higher quality (5000 psi) than the other hoses on the machine. This is the same guy that spent 20 minutes with me explaining how to install $8 of fittings for my grapple setup. It pays in the long run to support your local business if you have a good one.
I also try to be a good customer by paying cash to help him avoid high credit card service fees on small charges.

John

 

[bjcsc]

Hoseman, WayneCountyHouse:

I do appreciate the time that folks like you - hydraulic specialists, dealers, service techs etc. spend answering questions and contributing to this forum.

Echo that...