DaveNay
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Should I buy a Kioti CK30?
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Highbeam
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This is good. I can see what happened now.
1) Did you have to upgrade the loader for the high capacity? I recall the base model 3130 loader being lighter duty. Regardless, you wanted to use a pretty macho grapple and I don't. Your needs made this important and to me it doesn't matter. I can lift more weight with my bucket than you can with your grapple. Agreed?
2) Aftermarket QA is available at a small cost for the CK30 to provide all the benefits you speak of. The QA cost extra on the 3130.
3) 3.5" on each side wider with AG tires only. Plus, I have no hills so it isn't important to me. The QA on the CK30 allows the use of any size bucket just like you have, in fact if the QA is standard then the CK30 could use your bucket. What about R4 tires? Is the 3130 track much wider with R4s?
4) Yep, 10" would be nice for stacking freight, hay, or loading a dump truck but I have never not been able to reach something.
5) I get confused on that one. The PTO on my ck30 is activated by a lever and then the single clutch plate. I can come to a stop and it keeps running at full speed. I think that means independent.
6) yep just over 7" smaller turning radius. Doesn't really matter to me.
7) 300 lbs? My tractor with loader tips the scale at 4000 lbs. Any more and it would be hard to tow. These are both very heavy tractors.
8) Yep, teensy bit more HP at the PTO. Again, never been a problem.
This excersize has really shown how the needs of the buyer are so important. If not for your need to use that grapple, I would say you are a super nit picker and that these tractors are as close as apples to apples as you can possibly get.
Now compare the L2800 to the CK30, the L2800 doesn't even have a cupholder for crying out loud.
1) Did you have to upgrade the loader for the high capacity? I recall the base model 3130 loader being lighter duty. Regardless, you wanted to use a pretty macho grapple and I don't. Your needs made this important and to me it doesn't matter. I can lift more weight with my bucket than you can with your grapple. Agreed?
2) Aftermarket QA is available at a small cost for the CK30 to provide all the benefits you speak of. The QA cost extra on the 3130.
3) 3.5" on each side wider with AG tires only. Plus, I have no hills so it isn't important to me. The QA on the CK30 allows the use of any size bucket just like you have, in fact if the QA is standard then the CK30 could use your bucket. What about R4 tires? Is the 3130 track much wider with R4s?
4) Yep, 10" would be nice for stacking freight, hay, or loading a dump truck but I have never not been able to reach something.
5) I get confused on that one. The PTO on my ck30 is activated by a lever and then the single clutch plate. I can come to a stop and it keeps running at full speed. I think that means independent.
6) yep just over 7" smaller turning radius. Doesn't really matter to me.
7) 300 lbs? My tractor with loader tips the scale at 4000 lbs. Any more and it would be hard to tow. These are both very heavy tractors.
8) Yep, teensy bit more HP at the PTO. Again, never been a problem.
This excersize has really shown how the needs of the buyer are so important. If not for your need to use that grapple, I would say you are a super nit picker and that these tractors are as close as apples to apples as you can possibly get.
Now compare the L2800 to the CK30, the L2800 doesn't even have a cupholder for crying out loud.
OrangeAlex
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>This is good. I can see what happened now.
>
>1) Did you have to upgrade the loader for the high capacity? I >recall the base model 3130 loader being lighter duty.
yes.. I updated to the LA723 loader. The $4k difference is with the upgrade loader.
>Regardless, you wanted to use a pretty macho grapple and I >don't. Your needs made this important and to me it doesn't >matter. I can lift more weight with my bucket than you can >.with your grapple. Agreed?
Yes, you can lift more dirty with your bucket then I can with my grapple. But that is what I want with a grapple. ;-) Of course, I also have a 72" bucket and so I can lift more weight and volume of dirty then your bucket when I want to. Sound Fair?
>2) Aftermarket QA is available at a small cost for the CK30 to >provide all the benefits you speak of. The QA cost extra on the >3130.
Yes..and if I try to attach something heavry like a fork or grapple, it won't do what I NEED it to do.
>3) 3.5" on each side wider with AG tires only. Plus, I have no >hills so it isn't important to me. The QA on the CK30 allows the >use of any size bucket just like you have, in fact if the QA is >standard then the CK30 could use your bucket. What about R4 >tires? Is the 3130 track much wider with R4s?
No.. I think you misunderstood. Those are ON CENTER dimensions.
>4) Yep, 10" would be nice for stacking freight, hay, or loading >a dump truck but I have never not been able to reach >something.
Yes, well it won't reach my shop loft. Won't do what I NEED.
>5) I get confused on that one. The PTO on my ck30 is >activated by a lever and then the single clutch plate. I can >come to a stop and it keeps running at full speed. I think that >means independent.
Like I said.. dont remember what the CK30 offered here.
>6) yep just over 7" smaller turning radius. Doesn't really >matter to me.
It does matter to me when you have to drive around as many trees as I have to in the woods.
>7) 300 lbs? My tractor with loader tips the scale at 4000 lbs. >Any more and it would be hard to tow. These are both very >heavy tractors.
You are right, I don't attempt to tow mine. With FEL and something on the 3pt PT it is more like 6500#. My point here is the extract weight help with the loader and traction in the woods. More weight helped me more then it hurt. If I wanted a 30HP light tractor, looked at something like light B3030 (30HP) tractor.
>8) Yep, teensy bit more HP at the PTO. Again, never been a >problem.
like I said. Bonus. 5% more power. I won't turn it down.
>.This excersize has really shown how the needs of the buyer >are so important. If not for your need to use that grapple, I >would say you are a super nit picker and that these tractors >are as close as apples to apples as you can possibly get.
not sure what you want me to say. But I wanted to thank you. You helped me proved what I been saying. To you it appears like the two tractors are the same because you don't see need for the extra capabilities. For me, I see a different tractor. For what I need it to do, the CK30 simply will NOT DO the job. Is my tractor better then yours? No, not from your point of view or someone in your similiar position. If I didn't need the extra capabilities beyond the CK30, I would have considered either the CK30 or L2800 a bit more? If I had your requirements, the L3130 would have not been right for me and I wouldn't understand why it was more money. That is my whole point.
>Now compare the L2800 to the CK30, the L2800 doesn't even >have a cupholder for crying out loud.
I didn't research the L2800 very much after I realized that it wouldn't do not do what I needed it to do. Just like the CK30.
Cupholder was not a buying point for me. So, if you don't need what the L3130 offers over the L2800 or CK30 then you should be considering the L2800 vs. the CK30 for about the same price. Not the L3130. Do you still think your CK30 is the same as an L3130. This is exactly why Kubota sells BOTH the L2800 and the L3130. They don't compete against themselves.
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>1) Did you have to upgrade the loader for the high capacity? I >recall the base model 3130 loader being lighter duty.
yes.. I updated to the LA723 loader. The $4k difference is with the upgrade loader.
>Regardless, you wanted to use a pretty macho grapple and I >don't. Your needs made this important and to me it doesn't >matter. I can lift more weight with my bucket than you can >.with your grapple. Agreed?
Yes, you can lift more dirty with your bucket then I can with my grapple. But that is what I want with a grapple. ;-) Of course, I also have a 72" bucket and so I can lift more weight and volume of dirty then your bucket when I want to. Sound Fair?
>2) Aftermarket QA is available at a small cost for the CK30 to >provide all the benefits you speak of. The QA cost extra on the >3130.
Yes..and if I try to attach something heavry like a fork or grapple, it won't do what I NEED it to do.
>3) 3.5" on each side wider with AG tires only. Plus, I have no >hills so it isn't important to me. The QA on the CK30 allows the >use of any size bucket just like you have, in fact if the QA is >standard then the CK30 could use your bucket. What about R4 >tires? Is the 3130 track much wider with R4s?
No.. I think you misunderstood. Those are ON CENTER dimensions.
>4) Yep, 10" would be nice for stacking freight, hay, or loading >a dump truck but I have never not been able to reach >something.
Yes, well it won't reach my shop loft. Won't do what I NEED.
>5) I get confused on that one. The PTO on my ck30 is >activated by a lever and then the single clutch plate. I can >come to a stop and it keeps running at full speed. I think that >means independent.
Like I said.. dont remember what the CK30 offered here.
>6) yep just over 7" smaller turning radius. Doesn't really >matter to me.
It does matter to me when you have to drive around as many trees as I have to in the woods.
>7) 300 lbs? My tractor with loader tips the scale at 4000 lbs. >Any more and it would be hard to tow. These are both very >heavy tractors.
You are right, I don't attempt to tow mine. With FEL and something on the 3pt PT it is more like 6500#. My point here is the extract weight help with the loader and traction in the woods. More weight helped me more then it hurt. If I wanted a 30HP light tractor, looked at something like light B3030 (30HP) tractor.
>8) Yep, teensy bit more HP at the PTO. Again, never been a >problem.
like I said. Bonus. 5% more power. I won't turn it down.
>.This excersize has really shown how the needs of the buyer >are so important. If not for your need to use that grapple, I >would say you are a super nit picker and that these tractors >are as close as apples to apples as you can possibly get.
not sure what you want me to say. But I wanted to thank you. You helped me proved what I been saying. To you it appears like the two tractors are the same because you don't see need for the extra capabilities. For me, I see a different tractor. For what I need it to do, the CK30 simply will NOT DO the job. Is my tractor better then yours? No, not from your point of view or someone in your similiar position. If I didn't need the extra capabilities beyond the CK30, I would have considered either the CK30 or L2800 a bit more? If I had your requirements, the L3130 would have not been right for me and I wouldn't understand why it was more money. That is my whole point.
>Now compare the L2800 to the CK30, the L2800 doesn't even >have a cupholder for crying out loud.
I didn't research the L2800 very much after I realized that it wouldn't do not do what I needed it to do. Just like the CK30.
Cupholder was not a buying point for me. So, if you don't need what the L3130 offers over the L2800 or CK30 then you should be considering the L2800 vs. the CK30 for about the same price. Not the L3130. Do you still think your CK30 is the same as an L3130. This is exactly why Kubota sells BOTH the L2800 and the L3130. They don't compete against themselves.
Highbeam
Super Member
"Do you still think your CK30 is the same as an L3130"
Yes I do. Obviously not equal but much closer than the 2800 You have yet to give me any meaningful difference. Throw all three tractors together and the obvious odd ball is the 2800. The CK30 and 3130 are very close for most people's needs.
7 inches wider total is the same as 3.5 inches on each side. We're talking about the width of my shoe here. This is a nit pick.
If a guy was comparing the two brands, the closest thing Kubota has to the CK30 is the 3130. That is pretty obvious by your list. It is my opinion and you haven't been able to convince me otherwise. Not even a little bit.
Yes I do. Obviously not equal but much closer than the 2800 You have yet to give me any meaningful difference. Throw all three tractors together and the obvious odd ball is the 2800. The CK30 and 3130 are very close for most people's needs.
7 inches wider total is the same as 3.5 inches on each side. We're talking about the width of my shoe here. This is a nit pick.
If a guy was comparing the two brands, the closest thing Kubota has to the CK30 is the 3130. That is pretty obvious by your list. It is my opinion and you haven't been able to convince me otherwise. Not even a little bit.
OrangeAlex
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If I had a situation similiar to your. 15 flat acres, no woods or much need for strong loader work; I personally would have been looking at something lighter than the CK30 but in the 30HPish range to still be able to mower to 15 flat acres. To me a lB7800/B3030 would have been a better tractor. Maybe less money, lin the case of the B3030 more bells and whitles, less chance of damaging the lawn, and easier to tow with your pickup as that sounds like a concern for you. Perhaps a person in this situation would consider the CK30 and L7800/B3030 the SAME tractor but the L7800/B3030 a much better deall. Understand my point? Please understand, any additional capabilties in the CK30 beyond the L7800/B3030 can be considered by someone else as "nit-picking". They are essentially the same. Sound familiar?
Best Regards,
-Alex
Best Regards,
-Alex
OrangeAlex
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OK.. its your turn.
Prove to me that the L2800 can't do what your CK30 can do for you. Tell me how they differ. Like I said, I didn't compare the two very much as neither allowed me to do what I needed them to do.
Prove to me that the L2800 can't do what your CK30 can do for you. Tell me how they differ. Like I said, I didn't compare the two very much as neither allowed me to do what I needed them to do.
albmn10
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I looked at the L3130 along with many other tractors, i liked the lift capacity of the 723 loader. At 1850lbs at the pivot and 2605lbs of breakout force. When pricing however the L3130 and 513 loader the best price for me was 18600. With the 723 the price was around 19200. I ended up liking the Kioti ck30s sloped hood and better visibility then the L3130. The L3130 does have a slight power advantage 32hp to 30 hp, pto hp in Hst versions is 24 for the L3130 and 23 for the Ck30, a difference that your really not going to notice, both machines use the same size implements with similar pto hp ratings. If your interested in lifting over 1800lbs with the 3 point hitch, then the L3130 would be your choice. In my case ive never needed to lift anyting even close to that for my uses..So the ck30 was right for me. I did however upgrade to the quick attach woods 1012 loader because i liked the heavier lift capacites, 1375lbs at the pivot and 3050lbs of breakout force, and the ability to add any of the woods attachments,forks etc. The breakout force was what i liked , even having considerably more then the 723 loader. So either machine can be suited for individual needs. I payed 16200 for my ck30 with a brush guard and block heater as well.. That was a 3000 dollar difference in my case which was a no brainer for me. Both machines are well made and dependable.
Highbeam
Super Member
I think I can see that this is a brand war thing for you and you won't be swayed or even able to contribute to the thread. I have never owned a 3130 and you have never owned a Ck30 so we are both crippled.
The 3030 is pretty nice but clearly in a different working class than either of our 4000 lb CUT tractors. I especially liked one of the TBN member's setup where he took a b3030 and had it equipped with a grapple, that was cool.
The 3030 is pretty nice but clearly in a different working class than either of our 4000 lb CUT tractors. I especially liked one of the TBN member's setup where he took a b3030 and had it equipped with a grapple, that was cool.
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Let's take simple popular opinion, not the narrow opinion here on TBN. Within 70 miles of my home; 1 Kioti dealer. Total new Kioti sales in the last 2 months; 2. Total Kubota dealers within 70 miles of my house; 11. Total Kubota tractors sold within 70 miles of my house in last two months (estimate from asking dealers) about 93.
I must live in a real dumb and backwards area. The people here just aren't seeing this tremendous and overwhelming value in Kioti over Kubota. I should feel embarrassed that people in my area are so dumb. They should be rushing that poor little Kioti dealer and force him to stock a few hundred units! I would also have to think that there would be a considerable larger market for a used Kubota as well if I decided to sell; but after reading TBN, I'm an odd there as well; we all know that nobody ever sells a tractor - we all keep them for 60 years and the resale value is moot. Silly me!
I must live in a real dumb and backwards area. The people here just aren't seeing this tremendous and overwhelming value in Kioti over Kubota. I should feel embarrassed that people in my area are so dumb. They should be rushing that poor little Kioti dealer and force him to stock a few hundred units! I would also have to think that there would be a considerable larger market for a used Kubota as well if I decided to sell; but after reading TBN, I'm an odd there as well; we all know that nobody ever sells a tractor - we all keep them for 60 years and the resale value is moot. Silly me!
OrangeAlex
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It sounds like you made the right choice for yourself and your needs. There is no way I could effectively use the grapple if I would have used the CK30. So the CK30 was not an option, and I could not even make the CK30 do what I wanted if I threw $3000 at the problem. Understand?
Its like needing to pull a large rotary cutter behind you and not having enough HP power. You wouldn't expect me to get a lower HP tractor with the same loader capacitity as a higher HP tractor and call them equivelent tractors would you?
So, Why expecting a tractor with quite different loader capacities to be considered equivelent? Its not like they are close, there is a huge difference % wize. 62%!!! I guess in the same thinking, a tractor with 62% more HP is equivelent to the CK30. That would make it a 49 HP!
Its not like you can throw more money at the problem can get equivelent loader capacity with the CK30 just like you can't throw money at the CK30 and expect it to get the same HP rating as a DK45+?
How can they be the same?
Its like needing to pull a large rotary cutter behind you and not having enough HP power. You wouldn't expect me to get a lower HP tractor with the same loader capacitity as a higher HP tractor and call them equivelent tractors would you?
So, Why expecting a tractor with quite different loader capacities to be considered equivelent? Its not like they are close, there is a huge difference % wize. 62%!!! I guess in the same thinking, a tractor with 62% more HP is equivelent to the CK30. That would make it a 49 HP!
Its not like you can throw more money at the problem can get equivelent loader capacity with the CK30 just like you can't throw money at the CK30 and expect it to get the same HP rating as a DK45+?
How can they be the same?
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