Siding for pole barn

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mopower440

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well, after i get the trusses up and the metal roofing up, i will ready to side the pole building, i originally was going to use metal siding also, but am kinda thinking about wood now, not sure, just thinking, wondering if it will be ok to use wood instead of the metal since i have the girts on 2' centers..ok or no?
 
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What type of wood are you thinking about? Plywood sheets, board&Batten? You can just about make anything work at this point.
 

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I would also consider hardi plank or hardi panels. I have installed a bunch of hardi plank and like it. Never tried hardi panels, because I usually work alone and can not handle the weight of the 4 x 8 panels.
Bob
 
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Are the hardi planks made of cement or a composite?
PJ
 
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Hardi planks and sideing are made with a lite weight concrete
the stuff is pretty thin but won't check like plywood will (causing paint to pell) It takes a special primer from hardi to paint and must be put on over underlayment

If I was doing it I would ist put on OSB thick enough for 2ft centers then side with primed hardboard sideing sheets or planks-- The important thing to do is sheet it with something (ply or OSB) because it adds the needed shear strength

Also be prepared for current ply and osb prices they have trippled since the goverment bought up a bunch of it for irack, it has started to come down a little lately but prices ars still sky high /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif If you could hold off untill spring prices will go down Most OSB comes from canada and its winter there too. Home Depot or Lowes are the cheapest and quickest to adjust prices
 
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I'd sure think twice about putting some type of wood on. If you have the time to take care of it every few years that's fine. With the steel you put it up and for 30 years or better you don't have to touch it.
 
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I have cut one inch pine for board and batten siding on horse riding rinks. The largest was 50 by 100 and 12 foot high. and it cost them a bit over 2000 dollars for the wood. They treated it with a diesel fuel, roofing tar and linseed oil mix. It looks real nice like light walnut stain. Another outbuilding that I cut lumber to side was finished in fresh motor oil and it is very bright and orange yellow. It still looks good after 4 years.
 
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If i go with wood, it would either be OSB with vinyl siding or that T111 1/2" plywood siding with paint, but im actually looking for the cheapest way, and i 'think' its a tie between metal and the T111 plywood..
 
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T-111 is a pain to deal with. It has to be painted or stained every couple of years. There are different qualities of T-111 also. It may appear less expensive now, by you will pay the price later in labor....
 
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Hardie products are a composite of cement and fiber. They are non-combustible, rot resistant, bug resistant and warrantied by Hardie for 50 years of exterior use. Most of the products come pre-primed for paint, and one of the things I like best about them is that they take paint beautifully. Here in Florida, they are considered to be an upscale improvement.

T-111 is the worst product we can use in Florida -- may do OK elsewhere. It rots in a few years. Most of the T-111 homes around here have a band of cedar about 30" from the bottom where the T-111 was replaced near the ground. I've used HardiPlanks to cover the T-111 on my commercial property and my daughter's house.

Hardi does recommend an underlayment - OSB, plywood, etc., but it can also be installed directly onto studs with a max of 24" on center spacing. It requires a weatherproof barrier like Tyvek. It's kind of brittle, so I wouldn't install it directly over studs without a backing anywhere it might get poked, like with a FEL. Any backing is better than none, so I'm thinking about putting it on over rigid foam or builder's board. You can use foam up to 1" thick.

The only real problem comes in cutting it. If you use a saw, it should be a diamond blade. It will create a LOT of dust, and the dust can eat up the bearings on a power tool. It's best to do it outdoors. If the dust gets wet, it's a bear to clean up. If you're doing a big job, consider buying a hand-held electric shear, like the one's made by Snapper. I have two Snapper shears, and they work really great - no mess, no dust, no silicosis. The only problem is they are expensive. I've seen some a little cheaper, lately, but I paid $450 each for mine at a full service lumber yard (not the cheapest way to buy, but the most convenient).

Unlike vinyl or aluminum lap siding, the stuff looks like real wood once it's installed and painted. Use HardiBoard for corner and opening trim for a truly long life installation.

The real problem for someone with girts is that they go the wrong way for Hardiplank - you need vertical studs. My own barn will be stick built with studs 16" on center. I don't like pole barns in Florida; the water table is so high I don't think the poles will last unless they are marine grade, and I don't trust them, either.

4'x8' sheets of HardiPanel are an option for girts, but I think the joints between the sheets are problematical, both for sealing and for aestehtics. They don't overlap like the T-111 does. They look great with battens to give a board and batten look.

Here's a link to the installation page for HardiPlank: Hardie installation . From there, you can navigate to other sections dealing with the panels, painting, etc.
 
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I got some literature on this and it states you don't have to paint for many years. It did not state how many years it would last, do you know?
Also, the underlayment paint, is this special paint also?
PJ
 
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hmmm, my dad built a 24x24 garage 15 years ago using the T111 for siding and has never had a problem with it, still looks great..? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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OkeeDon, I bought a Porter-Cable cutter for about $180 at Home Depot. I have cut a bunch of Hardi with it, and it is still going strong. It is so much better than trying to use a saw, no dust, no damage to circular saw bearings, no mess to clean up, other than the little curley strips that it produces. Much easier to pick them up than to deal with all the dust.

I don't think you can go wrong with Hardi Plank.

Bob
 
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I've seen the Porter Cable shears advertised at a much lower price than the Snappers, in the range that you paid, and I've been tempted to try one. It's hard to justify another one when I have two Snappers, however. At the time I bought my first Snapper, I wasn't aware of the P-C models; I'm not sure if they were available yet. I've been using Hardie products for quite a while -- almost since they were first available. Hardie recommends the snapper, but that doesn't mean the Porter Cable won't do the job. They're not available at any local Home Depots in my area (4 of them within a 17 mile radius!) The Snapper does have a lifetime warranty; I've sent one back and it was rebuilt for free. In fact, that's why I have two; one broke in the middle of a job, and I couldn't wait until it was repaired and returned, so I bought another one the same day the first one broke. It was cheap when you consider that it kept a $12K job on schedule.
 
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I agree with staying away from the t 111. Having to paint it every 3 to 5 years will negate any cheaper cost now. With the cost of paint and the time it takes to do it every few years, the metal will be up and not have to be touched again.
Your "girts" are on 2' horizontal centers and Hardi planks need to be set on 2' vertical centers.
Contrary to advertising vinyl is not final. If not done right wind has a field day with it, it can be damaged by hail and in hot sunny areas fading with chalking can be a problem.
For just an outbuilding I think you will be happiest with the metal. It will go up much faster and be a lot easier to end up with a nice looking job.
 
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Just got back from lowes and saw some sheets called ABTCO, looks like the T11 on the front surface kinda, but on the back side its some kind of weird looking material, looks almost like the back side of paneling, anyone know about this stuff? Im just used to sawing wood, kind of nervous about cutting metal..
 
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My dad passed away this fall. His comment years ago: "Anyone is a fool if they use anything but metal for a shed."

My dad was the cheapest tightwad I have ever known. My room had ice on the inside of the windows because he kept the thermostat low to save money. He built the sheds with recycled lumber that he pulled the nails out of.

If you want cheap, use metal. Whatever it costs you now, it will be real cheap 30 years from now. Even my dad figured that out.

JMHO

--->Paul
 
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Im just used to sawing wood, kind of nervous about cutting metal.. )</font>

Metal siding is as easy to cut as wood , Provided you buy a really good set of snips . (Wiss or Malco ). Given as You say you are on a budget metal is probably your best value ,given the current price of OSB . JMHO , John
 
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As much as I like the HardiPlank, I'm on a budget, also, and with the prices the way they are, I've been looking a metal. The thing is, I don't want it to look like metal. Does anyone have any links to some real good looking metal? Something that looks like board & batten or T-111? I have a real nice pair of air-powered metal shears that wouldn't mind getting some use...
 
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Don, as much as I've looked I can't find anything in metal that looks like t-111 or board and batten . There is Vertical Vinyl siding . But then your still having to use OSB .
I also dont much care for the looks of a completely steel building . This spring I'm going to build a garage for myself
(32x36 pole building ). It'll have a metal roof and Vinyl over OSB walls . the interior will be metal lined . At least that's the plan . Just have to see how OSB prices go . My back up is wood siding (from the Amish ) and buying a planer . Sorry that I can't give you a good answer . John
 

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