Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions)

   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #71  
Power Service's Diesel Kleen has done very well for me in everything but my tractor. I just did a cross-country move in an overloaded 26ft International box truck with a CEL and a severe misfire. Running Diesel Kleen at about 2x the recommended dosage was the difference between 25-35mph up hills on I40 (without it) and 45-55 (with it). On a healthy engine, the difference will be much less pronounced, but as a cetane booster (and thus, power adder) it absolutely works. I've observed lower EGTs in my Duramax when I use it, too.

I bought the Kubota with about 430 hours on it; it appears to be in fine shape, but it doesn't seem particularly appreciative of being fed Diesel Kleen. The first time I added it, the machine developed a slight miss, a stumble/hesitation on rapid throttle increases, faint-but-noticeable soot under load @ WOT, and it seemed slightly down on power. It definitely runs cooler, and EGTs are way down, though. (By the time I bought my tractor, my grass had hit about hood height on the BX; on the original tank of fuel it had when I took delivery of it, the exhaust was heating grass stems enough to make them smoke, and the coolant temperature gauge stayed smack in the middle of its range. With the diesel kleen, the grass is no longer smoking, and the coolant temperature gauge is reading lower under the same loads and weather conditions.)

I'm just on the second tank of fuel since I bought the machine now, and it's taken to it better this time; no misfire or hesitation, and no soot. It still seems down on power but that may just be that I've pressed the mmm into use as a brush hog and the blades aren't really appreciating it. My hypothesis is that the machine had never been run hard, had not been fed good quality fuel, and the Diesel Kleen has dislodged a bunch of crap in the tank and plugged up the filters, and the 'soot' blowing out of the exhaust on the first tankful was probably carbon dislodged by the additive.

I've got a couple of new fuel filters on the way, and I intend to continue running Diesel Kleen in the machine at a ratio of about 0.8-1oz/gallon for the time being. There's really no possible way for the additive to cause any kind of mechanical damage, so we'll see how it does over the next few months.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #72  
I`ve been going all over the diesel forums everywhere... seems theres an awful lot of people saying NOT to put 2-stroke oil in these new diesels.
I think the primary issue is with modern emissions components for road vehicles and new off-road diesels as well. Using certain non-compliant fuel additives could foul the diesel particulate filter (DPF), and that can be costly to fix ($thousands) and harmful to your engine.

In a conventional indirect injection diesel, I can't see any harm. Even a common rail direct injection diesel should be fine because the oil is formulated to run through fuel system components.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #73  
I don't see why anyone would want to. Not with all the additives out there that are specifically formulated for diesel fuel. :confused3:
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #74  
I`ve been going all over the diesel forums everywhere... seems theres an awful lot of people saying NOT to put 2-stroke oil in these new diesels.

I don't see why anyone would want to. Not with all the additives out there that are specifically formulated for diesel fuel. :confused3:
Agreed. But I can't blame people making such decisions either, on account of all the misinformation and conflicting information out there. You certainly can't trust information from vendors, you have to look to 3rd party or independent sources, which are few and far between.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions)
  • Thread Starter
#75  
Does the new BX23S have the DPF...?
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #76  
Not that I can tell. It's an indirect injection with a conventional injection pump - the D902-E4. It meets Tier IV emissions but i don't think they require a SCR or DPF system on engine of that size/Hp.

I can't find anything regarding the emissions system on these.

Anything over 100Hp has had to have SCR and DPF for a while now. And as I recall, the regulators have increased those standards for smaller/lower Hp engines also. As of 2016, I think it was still limited to engines over 65Hp. Maybe some one else has a little more insight into this.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions)
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#77  
Not that I can tell. It's an indirect injection with a conventional injection pump - the D902-E4. It meets Tier IV emissions but i don't think they require a SCR or DPF system on engine of that size/Hp.

I can't find anything regarding the emissions system on these.

Anything over 100Hp has had to have SCR and DPF for a while now. And as I recall, the regulators have increased those standards for smaller/lower Hp engines also. As of 2016, I think it was still limited to engines over 65Hp. Maybe some one else has a little more insight into this.

Same thing i`ve read about too.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #78  
If you ask the dealer, he/she will likely have that info, because this is a big ugly topic among off-road and commercial diesel owners. If I might be so cavalier, the emissions systems are saving the environment but destroying our engines. Mind you it's not entirely certain if the emissions systems are actually saving the environment or not, because the regen cycle dumps all those pollutants out all at once instead of gradually over time.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions) #79  
From
Ahead of the Curve: Small Tractor OEMs Embrace Tier 4 | 2�14-1�-�1 | Farm Equipment

Kubota

Kubota's 25-50 horsepower engines were certified Tier 4 compliant in late 2012 and include the company's Super Mini Series, 05 Series, 03 Series, 07 Series and V3 Series.

To meet the latest air quality standards in the U.S., Europe and Japan, Kubota's designers created a new engine that uses the company's proprietary Three Vortex Combustion System (TVCS) and a unique DPF regeneration system to reduce operator involvement in maintaining a clean-breathing DPF/muffler combination.

The L3301 and L3901 Tier 4 Kubotas use a common rail, electronic fuel injection system capable of multiple injections per power stroke based on ECU commands, and an improved exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system. The 2650HSD is equipped with a mechanical fuel injection system.

At the upper end of the smaller tractor category, Kubota's 75-100 horsepower non-road diesel engines were certified in September 2014 as Tier 4 compliant with the use of SCR, DOC and DPF.
 
   / Silver Bottle, Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost Additive (questions)
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#80  
EMISSION STANDARDS; Isn`t it a shame that we let liberals decide what we can/can not have.
 

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