So much for a Nissan Leaf!

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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #101  
Everyone's situation and priorites often differ. I didn't have to read too many of your posts to know that you would have a good set of reasons for making the decision that you did, connecting to the grid.

I'd hope you've seen enough of my posts to get a sense of what I'm about, but it's worth being explicit. My comment about the $5500 was never a criticism of your decision, rather an expression of my preferences, along with what hopefully comes across as some reasoning for doing so.... :)

Thanks for taking the time to outline your thoughts and experience with your system Dave. It is valuable info and perspective for me, or anybody else who is even half serious about investing their own money in alternative energy.

While I consider battery maintenance to be trivial, you raise a good point about the availability of capable service people, in the general market. Any competent electrician (or for that matter, auto mechanic) should be able to handle basic maintenance on a battery bank. At a minimum, connections need to be kept corrosion free, and properly torqued, and flooded cells need to be topped up. Beyond that, tracking cell specific gravity is a good idea for the long haul, but just doing the basics will go a long way towards extending battery life.

It used to be that an average high school student that even half paid attention in grade 10 chemistry would have been able to maintain a battery..... but I'm mostly just showing my age by making that comment.... :laughing:

Resale can be a polarizing issue..... it's a matter of finding the right buyer, but that can tend to take longer, which is not what most people want to hear. KISS has a broader market appeal, for sure.

Rgds, D.

I didn't take your comment as a criticism in any way. I agree everyone arrives at their own choices based on their specific circumstances and how they weight the various risk exposures.

The decision we made eight years ago could have gone either way. If I were making the same decision today with lower prices and more choices, I would be more likely to choose off-grid. I still have a nice location for a battery bank. :D

A lot has changed in eight years in the solar area, but the biggest factor is cost per watt. Now it is getting down to the point where very few concessions need to be made, or extra costs borne, for things like appliance selection. Much depends on the local climate too in being able to shrink a home's energy footprint down to an affordable solar size.

Perhaps every dollar spent eight years ago for an off-grid system would cost $0.60 now? Whatever the number, I don't have to think about it being lost in hindsight. :laughing: I have no idea how judge where we are on that cost curve today. Are similar reductions five years away, or will there be leveling out? EDIT: And not to forget utility prices are rising to meet solar prices at the same time.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #102  
Pure EV? Not worth the expense, trouble or the tax deduction.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #103  
Pure EV? Not worth the expense, trouble or the tax deduction.

Even if the 82 mile combined range was really 41 miles in the winter cold batteries, head lights on and heater at full blast. That 41 miles is still farther than many commuters travel. Or trips to pickup kids from school , sports , run to the store, dr's office, Bingo , liquor store or Walmart.
The all electric EV is fine for the majority of the population as a 2nd vehicle. Who live in Urban centres or take short trips. Any idea of what % of the population never venture into an area where there are no street lights? They don't need dual 36 gallon tanks of diesel to make a one way trip from work or errands to home.
It should go without saying that this site caters to a very small segment of the North American population . Who live in rural or remote areas.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #104  
Range is really down in SF.... very steep hills take a huge load vs tooling town the Highway 5

For me the big question is more the longevity and cost to replace the battery pack... I tend to keep vehicles for decades... still have the car I bought in 1973 long before I was old enough to drive.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #105  
Around here road salt will have the chassis ruined before I'm worried about wearing the 2nd battery out.
As long as the battery pack isn't regularly subjected to those off gassing 20 minute 80% charging sessions. 8yrs should be easy enough.
In 8yrs time a replacement battery pack would have good trade in value. Lots of good used packs in wrecked vehicles. Price will come down with production too.
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #106  
One thing thats missing from the Leaf is a gas, LNG or hydrogen powered extender. You wouldnt need it for 99% of trips, but it'd be nice for longer ones. Just a small, pull behind trailer with lightweight generator you could leave at home most days.
Just in case you thought that hadn't been done:

Rav Long Ranger
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #107  
Around here road salt will have the chassis ruined before I'm worried about wearing the 2nd battery out.
As long as the battery pack isn't regularly subjected to those off gassing 20 minute 80% charging sessions. 8yrs should be easy enough.
In 8yrs time a replacement battery pack would have good trade in value. Lots of good used packs in wrecked vehicles. Price will come down with production too.
Also, with a Prius, they can replace just the bad cells in a pack with similarly aged ones for much less than a whole new pack.

Aaron Z
 
   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #109  
This is what they are doing as SPORT in SF - gangs of kids are car tipping these cars

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   / So much for a Nissan Leaf! #110  
^^^ Yes they are and having fun doing it.

Things are going to *ell with no one respecting private property.
 
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