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<font color=blue>The pictures aren't the best. Heck, I make things, just don't take good pictures or do well at describing....... </font color=blue>

The picture just needed a little lightening {see attached} and I think you describe them just fine.

Didn't you get just a little nervous, even though you measured 3 times, as you began to cut the frame of that new truck?
 

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<font color=blue>Didn't you get just a little nervous, even though you measured 3 times, as you began to cut the frame of that new truck?</font color=blue>

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Thanks for fixing the pic Mike.

As for being nervous.....nah.

You see I had measured it all out and I knew it was right.

I also have an ace up my sleeve.

I operate on the premise that there are few things I can screw up so bad I can't fix'em back and most folks will never know.

Seriously, it's the confidence thing. You get confidence by being successful at something. I've been lucky so many times that I just assume I'm gonna get lucky again.

And before I made that cut I had mentally cut it a dozen times and fitted up the bed while my hands were busy on something else. So when I got to the point of measuring and cutting all the figuring had been done. Then it was just taking a measurement, checking it twice from different points, that's important, one point can be wrong, and then cutting.
 
/ Some days............. #23  
<font color=blue>But probably what's the most important thing about sharing stuff like this is to spread the belief that there is no magic. Anyone can do it. It just takes a little confidence and some preparation and then it's like dominoes falling in place.
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Harv,

That calls to mind something I think I read in one of my scifi books. Goes like: "Technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic." Now I know you're not using computer-guided cutting lasers for this stuff, but the feeling is still there for me! It also kinda reminds me of the guy on the "New Yankee Workshop" making one of his antique replicas. I always start off figuring, Yes! I could do that. Then he turns around and picks up his special jig for boring curleyQ holes, either Q or q, and in any size you'd want. And, he actually knows how to use it!

Anyway, yes, I know I could probably do lots of the stuff you do. I could also do brain surgery. Want to volunteer to let me get some practice?/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Chuck
 
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<font color=blue>You take like cutting that plate at an angle so when the bed is lifted the chances of a hangup are minimized.</font color=blue>

w-h, do you have a picture of this? I'm having trouble visualizing this.

Also, what did you use to cut the frame? Torch? Plasma?
 
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Probably a 'GAS AXE' :)
 
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<font color=blue>You take like cutting that plate at an angle so when the bed is lifted the chances of a hangup are minimized.

w-h, do you have a picture of this? I'm having trouble visualizing this.</font color=blue>

Think of it like how paper cups nestle nicely inside one & other. as soon as you pull the top one up, there is space everywhere between it and the cup below. Contrast this with two pipes that fit perfectly inside each other. As you move one relative to the other, it is always in contact.
 
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Harv,

You know I admire your hard work and ingenuity at getting that bed up and off your frame, it sure seems like an awful lot of work to me (<---lazy by nature). /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I think I'd have gone for cutting the thing free as you did then getting a heavy duty recovery operator with a boom over to help you out. He could lift the thing up in the air while you drive Moby out from under and back Lucy under it. He lowers the bed down on your frame rails, unhooks his equipment and write you up a bill for about $50 and you get busy securing your bed. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Then again, I just like watching those boys do their thing, too. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif
 
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Gary I had a bud offer his big big forklift to do the job.

I just like to do things like that nice and careful like making sure that things don't get in a bind one way or another.

The tool box is painted. We did that yesterday under the shed in the rain. Yup, it's been raining. Like I needed that./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Lucy is sitting in a bud's shop high and dry. I've had some glitches in the syrup. The new truck is trick to the max in the wiring department. It has a bank of rocker switches. Those not in use have blanks. When you pull the blank there's a plug all wired up underneath. So we put the rockers for my lights in the bed and box in two of those slots.

But no one, and I do mean no one seems to know how to wire up the brake controller.

The guys who shortened the wheelbase haven't got the brightest candles in the chapel. I've had to redo a couple of their hiccups. They either didn't know or didn't care. I do. Their man that wires up the brake controllers was way wrong. He's got the 2002's down pat but evidently he hasn't done a 2003 yet.

What makes it such a bugger bear is the wiring is all to the back, plug's in, factory, fuses and breakers for the circuit are all in place, just no clue as to where to splice it in to take advantage of all the planning by the factory.

The other killer glitch was the way the guys shortened the wheelbase. They moved a crossmember which screws me in moving the tank so that the inlet is in a place advantageous to me. So it's been lift the bed six inches off the frame, make a cut, put the bed back down, do a trial fit, lift the bed, make a cut, do a fit, etc and so on.

The simple installation would have been to hang a ninety out of the tank and go to the side of the truck straight. But, I'd be cussing myself forever and a day if I'd done that.

There needs to be a drop in elevation so the diesel goes down. Diesel and sewer work best when it's set up to go down hill. Running the line straight across meant that it would have a flat spot. That would make filling a bear. A double bear if the truck was parked with the inlet side down.

It's a done deal now.

So this morning I've got to borrow the Bravada and go get some parts and talk to some people. All the seven prong trailer plugs I've got access to locally are plastic. Plastic is great for laundry baskets and toss away furniture. It isn't worth a flip for work stuff. So I've got to go to a wholesaler in Dallas and pick up the metal plugs and recievers. While I'm there I'm going to get on the shop manager's computer at the dealer and out the right way to wire up the brake controller.

The rain is supposed to end late this morning as I understand it. I'm using some Xylene based paint. It's for ornamental iron and it's tough and dries before you can sneeze. So hopefully about the time the rain stops I can install the box and then get the truck inspected and tagged.

I'm taking all the different wiring leads to a common terminal strip this time. That means fewer splices and a central place if there is some trouble shooting to be done. Splicing leads from the lights, two different trailer plugs, the lead in from the truck means one big knot. A terminal strip makes it so much cleaner.

I hope to have pictures tonight.
 
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Harv,

You need to get a hold of a copy of what is know as a body builders book (as in cab & chassis, not muscles). Your dealer should have a copy & let you look at it. It should explain how to tap into all the wiring harnesses.

If the dealer doesn't have one, you should make him get you one cheap as you did part with a good chunk of change for Lucy.
 
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Hazmat,

I just wanted to tell you that I find your way of explaining things to be absolutely excellent. Your analogies really seem to take things from difficult to comprehend to utterly simple for me and I really appreciate it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
/ Some days............. #31  
Gary,

You're welcome. It is nice to feel appreciated/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif.

Hopefully WHarv has gotten his wiring figured out & is back at work with Lucy
 
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Gary,

I didn't reply to your question cause hazmat answered better than I could have.

Hazmat,

I can't thank you enough for the advice and explanations.

Lucy, it's been interesting.

I spent most of Monday either on the phone or on the road trying to find out how the factory wired the truck for the brake controller. I found out I was in uncharted territory. The GM tech line if for techs only. Most service advisors aren't interested in doing anything besides lip service. Makes you almost wonder if they've missed their calling or if we've really missnamed the job they do.

Tuesday was figure it out day. The trailer brake wire at the rear plug is cut off in the wiring loom under the hood just below the A/C--heater assembly. It ends there, goes nowhere. Of course to find this little piece of information one has to remove the plastic fender liners. And then cut the tape around the loom and open the plastic split hose the wires are in. Then one has to ask a bud to old the test light on the blue wire going nowhere while one goes to the plug and runs a jumber from the constant hot lead to the trailer brake lug. The light came on, one thing found out for sure.

The whole object of this excerise was to avoid jerry rigging the wiring. I was positive that since the factory had done such a beautiful job on all the other wiring they had done something really trick for the brake controller. I just had to find out what where.

In the big fuse box is this thirty amp ciruit breaker. It reads "electric trailer brakes". The wiring loom that leaves the fuse box has eight twelve and ten gauge red wires amongst all the other wires going to whatever. You can see a twelve gauge red wire going into the trailer brake circuit breaker.

The loom goes through the firewall without a red wire leaving as many other wires in looms do here and there going to whatever.

So it's simple. Pull the breaker and take apart the dash. Check each and every twelve gauge red wire for current. If one is dead plug back in the breaker and see if it comes hot.

No dead reds to be found.

Find out where the loom comes through the firewall. Remove the tape and using a probe very very carefully test each red twelve gauge for current.

No dead reds to be found.

Go to the hood side of the firewall. Count the twelve gauge reds, three, first one probed is dead. Plug back in breaker, it becomes hot. Do this three times to make good and sure it's the right one and only one. Verify the wire is going through the firewall in the loom. Hunt for it again on the inside. It's not there.

Finally after repeated attempts to understand what the heck is going on in only two inches of space decide it must be cut and taped back as it goes through the firewall.

Go buy four greasefilled connectors for attaching twelve gauge wires to go from under the hood to the brake controller by the driver. If you don't use grease filled connectors you're gonna have trouble down the road. Trouble only comes at the worst possible moment. Just the way it is.

Waste two of the connectors because of the working space, or lack thereof, figured that might happen, why I bought four. The rest of the hooking up of controller works like it should. I am satisfied with the installation. But it was a bugger bear putting everything back so that you can hardly tell I dug through all those looms.

Today was installing toolbox and aligning bed day. It went well. I'm just slow. I keep thinking that I'm not gonna do this again for many years. If I do it wrong or miss something I'm gonna cuss myself for years and years. I dislike being cussed so much that I work real hard to avoid it, even by me.

BTW I'm having fun.
 
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<font color=blue>"BTW I'm having fun."</font color=blue>

And isn't that what it's really all about? Enjoy! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
/ Some days............. #34  
wharv glad you got the wiring worked out. Sorry it was such a hassle. If Chevy ever sends you a user survey, be sure to tell them what you think!
 
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I am glad Ford puts the pigtails in the glove box. That way we just have to hook the controler to the pig tail and plug it in under the steering column. On the other hand, you did learn where a lot of wires are in your truck:) I am still having trouble getting use to the new design of the Chevy's heavy duty truck. I am sure it will grow on me like all other designs(except the Aztez, man that thing was ugly). Have fun.
 
/ Some days............. #36  
<font color=blue>"Chevy's heavy duty truck"</font color=blue>

When did Chevy start building heavy duty trucks again?
 
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Moby's gone. I understand she's gonna have her wheelbase shortened and get herself a nice coat of red paint. They're gonna put a dump bed on her and she's gonna haul local.

This is Lucy almost complete.
 

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From the south end looking north........
 

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Another........

Friday I put thirty six hundred pounds on her. We did a hundred and forty nine miles and used fifteen gallons of diesel. I'm so proud I could spit.

Then Saturday morning on the way to the dealer for tags and inspection she wouldn't shift into fifth.

They put it on the puter and said nothing came up as far as codes go.

So this morning on the way to the dealer she kicked into fifth like nothing had ever happened.

The dealer dude told me she's learning my driving style. I guess running eighty with a load made her decide to slow me down a bit./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 

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Lucy is Lookin' Good/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

As far as learning your driving style, give her a few hundred more miles to figure it out!
 

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