Start engine with PTO engaged

[TJP89]

From the Service Manual (CK series). The clutch free travel, clutch stop pad, and clutch safety switch are easily adjustable. Anything else, and the tractor has to be split between the clutch housing and engine (right in front of the dash). Once you are there though, the clutch is right there, and easily accessible
I'm guessing that if you are prepared to split the tractor, you are ready to handle anything beyond that as well.

 

[JoelD]

Thanks yes if I get to splitting the tractor then yes I'm good. Hoping simple adjustment of peddle

Thanks
Joel

 

[MX Dad]

If mine needs to be split, aint no way I'm attempting that. Mine will go to the dealer. But I will check the adjustment tomorrow.

 

[Amvcane]

I am not familiar with the 2 stage clutch although I think I understand the operation, please correct if wrong.
The drive clutch is going to wear much faster than the pto clutch because of use. If only the drive clutch is adjusted,( linkage between the peddle and drive clutch) and the pto clutch never adjusted, am I correct in assuming that there will no longer be enough peddle travel to disengage the pto clutch?
Now to gear tractor owners, is there some sort of access plate to get to the pto clutch adjustment? I can't see having to split a tractor just to adjust pto clutch.
I know some have already said adjust clutch, and thank you Ritcheyvs for the diagram and description. I am just trying to understand this system and maintenance myself.

 

[buickanddeere]

You need the real factory service manual with the illustrations, recommended measuring tools and step by step procedures .

 

[Sawyer Rob]

You need the real factory service manual with the illustrations, recommended measuring tools and step by step procedures .

That is the RIGHT answer!

SR

 

[JoelD]

I have service manual, not much help.

 

[JoelD]

Pics from manual

 

[SPYDERLK]

With that said, is there anyone with advice on how to adjust the PTO clutch pack portion of my two stage clutch, not worked on a two stage before. I've got owner's and service manual, neither are of much help, they spell out play in peddle but not much else. I need to adjust mine, I've got enough drag fully depressed that I can not engage implement.

Thanks,
Joel

I'd like to hear from those that have adjusted a 2 stage clutch as well. Not the first time hearing the manual isnt much help. If its like adjusting a clutch on a vehicle/pickup, I got that part. Curious if its similar.

Thanks my fear is that my adjustment may need to be internal as my drive free play seems to be right on based on feel will measure this weekend

I guess I can adjust to get some more throw at the bottom of pedal stroke and maybe that will do the trick as I don't think I'm hugely off as under a bit of load the implement will stop spinning with clutch fully depressed

Joel

I have adjusted the 2nd clutch on a Kubot, and other brands probably provide for it similarly. -- There is access to the adustment bolts thru a "window" cover on the housing as I recall. ... Once you find it, the most important thing is to mark each bolt and turn each the same amount so the plate is lifted evenly.

 

[buickanddeere]

Why not use the clearance tool and ensure all the adjustments are correct . If it's uneven from an improper previous adjustment . The clutch will still be out of adjustment after turning all the adjustments the same distance .

 

[SPYDERLK]

Why not use the clearance tool and ensure all the adjustments are correct . If it's uneven from an improper previous adjustment . The clutch will still be out of adjustment after turning all the adjustments the same distance .

I was answering a different question. ...If the clearance tool fits w/i confined access; use it

 

[TJP89]

Pics from manual

You have the LK which is different from the CK obviously. My manual is pretty good, with step by step instructions for splitting the tractor and then making all adjustments and replacements, complete with halfway decent pictures.

 

[ksbrdmkr]

Remember that if the PTO clutch is not releasing you have a tractor like the old non live PTO systems and need to have an overrunning clutch either on the tractor or on the piece of equipment. The old balers and pull combines all had an overrunning clutch and a PTO clutch can be bought to put on the PTO so the equipment will not push the tractor into danger when trying to stop,

 

[SPYDERLK]

Remember that if the PTO clutch is not releasing you have a tractor like the old non live PTO systems and need to have an overrunning clutch either on the tractor or on the piece of equipment. The old balers and pull combines all had an overrunning clutch and a PTO clutch can be bought to put on the PTO so the equipment will not push the tractor into danger when trying to stop,

The engine can be driven by the inertia of a PTO implement, but the regular clutch will still disconnect the engine from the transmission. So the PTO will not push the tractor when trying to stop.

 

[MX Dad]

Well, I wasnt able to test with the Finish Mower as I had the box blade on this weekend. But, I did push the clutch all the way in, then engaged the PTO. I let out the clutch and the PTO was turning. I pushed clutch all the way in, to the floor, and the PTO was still turning. So my next step is try to adjust clutch. If it needs to be split, no way would I feel comfortable doing that. It will go to the dealer.

 

[dfkrug]

I have adjusted the 2nd clutch on a Kubot, and other brands probably provide for it similarly.
-- There is access to the adustment bolts thru a "window" cover on the housing as I recall. ... Once you find it, the most
important thing is to mark each bolt and turn each the same amount so the plate is lifted evenly.

I just fully rebuilt my first 2-stage dry clutch this last summer, but it was also on a Kubota. L2550DT. There IS a
window as you describe, to access and adjust the fingers for the PTO clutch. Unfortunately, it was underneath the
FEL subframe, which has to be removed.

In this situation, the road clutch was burnt out, but the PTO clutch was pristine. The PTO clutch can be stuck to
the pressure plate independent of the road clutch. I had a shop set up the new clutches and fingers to spec
in their shop. It cost $600 for the shop part of the rebuild, which was a shock. I did all the splitting and
assembly/reassembly of the tractor myself.

 

[DK35vince]

The PTO clutch can be stuck to the pressure plate independent of the road clutch.

That's the answer to the question I asked earlier in the thread.
I couldn't see a reason that that wasn't possible.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I just fully rebuilt my first 2-stage dry clutch this last summer, but it was also on a Kubota. L2550DT. There IS a
window as you describe, to access and adjust the fingers for the PTO clutch. Unfortunately, it was underneath the
FEL subframe, which has to be removed.

In this situation, the road clutch was burnt out, but the PTO clutch was pristine. The PTO clutch can be stuck to
the pressure plate independent of the road clutch. I had a shop set up the new clutches and fingers to spec
in their shop. It cost $600 for the shop part of the rebuild, which was a shock. I did all the splitting and
assembly/reassembly of the tractor myself.

Weird! Exact same tractor w/factory FEL and I did the adjustment with no removal. It was very difficult because I was working with a hurt rt shoulder ... some whimpering - but successful. :dance1:

 

[dfkrug]

Weird! Exact same tractor w/factory FEL and I did the adjustment with no removal.
It was very difficult because I was working with a hurt rt shoulder ... some whimpering - but successful.

Note that the $600 was to put new friction material on both friction discs, and re-surface all mating
surfaces, incl the flywheel. Clean and adjust everything to spec.

In the OP's case, I would hope to be able to adjust the PTO clutch thru the window (if provided) and NOT
split the tractor.

 

[TJP89]

Note that the $600 was to put new friction material on both friction discs, and re-surface all mating
surfaces, incl the flywheel. Clean and adjust everything to spec.

In the OP's case, I would hope to be able to adjust the PTO clutch thru the window (if provided) and NOT
split the tractor.

There is no mention of the window in the manuals, which are for the CK25/30/35 series. Probably isn't one. Sounds like something is stuck inside. You can try adjusting the pedal stop, but I think it is time for dealer to take over. Even if the problem is simple, the time to split and reassemble the tractor will really cost you. However, I agree that it is not a task to take lightly. I wouldn't do it either, nowhere near enough experience or equipment.