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Ym1401King · May 1, 2002

I have a question. I was looking at the owners manual that was sent me for my 1401, and it was for the modelsYM169. In the manual it says to never use Ether to start the tractor, and then as far as stopping the motor, it says to never use the decompression to stop the motor. When I turn my key off, the thing would sit there and idle until it ran out of fuel. So, I have to do something. Is using that decompression thing the little lever sticking out of the front of the dash the right way? Just want my Yanny to last a while. Also, I tried to turn the fuel shut off handle, and it won't budge. Any suggestions?

Aric

Tractors4u · May 1, 2002

You should not use the decompression lever to shut the tractor off and the key switch on your tractor will not shut the tractor off. The decompression lever is the one under the dash on the left hand side of the dash. You said the fuel shut off would not budge. I am assuming that you are referring to the fuel shut off on the the fuel filter assembly. You should use the hand throttle to shut the engine off. The hand throttle is the one that sticks up from the ride side on the dash.

gbirky · May 1, 2002

Aric,
I'll assume that you are pushing the throttle lever all the way forward, and the engine is still idling. The problem is that the throttle linkage is either not ajusted properly, or sticking somewhere. You should be able to completely shut off the fuel and kill the engine with the throttle lever.

Try opening the hood while the engine is running, and pushing the lever on the injection pump all the way back. If that kills the engine, then you just need to shorten the linkage so that the throttle lever will pull this lever all the way back to kill the engine. The the throttle lever itself may not be moving all the way forward also - so check that out as well.

In the meantime, I would kill the engine by leaving the tractor in gear, hold the brakes on HARD, and release the clutch to stall the engine. This is what I did at first with my YM1301D when I couldn't get mine to shut down.

Greg

roger_scotty · May 1, 2002

I couldn't say anything about shutdown better than Brent and Greg, so I won't even try.
But I have had to deal with several sticky fuel shut-off valves. I like to shut off my fuel after shutting off the engine - but if the injector pump is in good condition it really doesn't make the difference on a diesel that it does on a gasoline machine.
To fix a sticky valve, my recommendation is to take it off of the machine and then disassemble with care. It just needs cleaning, but will break if it is forced. You may need to bolt it to a plate mounted in a vise.

jimstractors · May 1, 2002

My 1401D has a detent button at the pivot point of the throttle lever. When the throttle is pushed all the way forward, then the tractor is at a very slow idle. At this point, you then push the detent button to stop the engine. I will post a picture later tonight if I can get home before dark to take a pic.
Jim

tonyw · May 1, 2002

Speaking of that detent button..I too have a 1401d and I had no idea what that button was for!!/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

Ym1401King · May 1, 2002

I will be glad to see where that button is, and what it s for. I went and looked and have no idea.

Roger : I need to shut off the fuel so that I can change the fuel filter. The dealer that I bought mine from bought his first container, this tractor and others, and has no clue what he got. He now buys from Handlers. Anyway, he didnt know how to shut off the motor either.

Thanks for the input of all. Will check the linkage and then will fool around with the fuel shut off. Look forward to seeing that picture of the detent button.

Thanks again.

YM1401King /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/king.gif

Aric

gbirky · May 1, 2002

Very interesting... My YM1301D has no such button.

Greg

skent · May 1, 2002

I have been told by several people that you should only use ether on a diesel if you want to remove the intake manifold and or cylinder head/pistons very quickly.

I've seen others use ether (White and Big JD's) but I don't think I'll take the chance.

Using WD40 in small quantities works (so I'm told) and does not have the explosive nature.

fenneran · May 1, 2002

My YMG1800D has a fuel cutoff on the right side of the dash area, about knee hight. Pull it and the motor stops.
Frank

kubmech · May 1, 2002

Aric, fuel shut-off? 'nuff said. Using ether on engines with precombustion chambers is a bad thing due to combustion beginning in such a small chamber. Could crack the cylinder head or damage the chamber "cap" among other things. On the fuel filter shut-off, if you look just to the right of the lever you should see a small phillips head screw. Remove that and the lever should come straight out with a small spring attached. Look in the hole and you will see a piece of white plastic with a slot for a screw driver. You should be able to break it loose with a screwdriver. No need to remove it, it's just a little stuck from not being turned in a while. Re-install the lever paying attention to the slot that the small screw that you removed sets in and gently re-install the screw. It should screw back in pretty easy. If not the notch in the lever is not lined up.

Tractors4u · May 1, 2002

I don't mean to nasty when I say this. But a dealer that does not know how to shut down an engine should not be selling tractors. They should at least take the time to get to know the product they are selling. I can imagine that he is going be a lot of help after the sale.

EFC · May 1, 2002

No kidding! They do shut off on their own but it takes about two days/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

jimstractors · May 1, 2002

Attached is a picture of the detent on the 1401d.

According to the Yanmar manual to stop the engine, you "Pull (PUSH??) the throttle lever back to slow idle position. Allow the engine to idle for 1-2 minutes. Pull (PUSH??) throttle lever fully rearward to stop engine".

It says in bold lettering "DO NOT USE DECOMPRESSION LEVER TO STOP ENGINE". According to the manuals, the only time you use the decompression lever is to start the engine.

As far as using starting fluid, as with any engine, starting fluid is used for basically a sick engine. Its a last ditch effort if you are in a bind. If your diesel is mechanically sound, you should never need it. I start these Yanmars regularly in 15-20 degree weather using only the thermostart and the decompression lever. Don't take the chance of ruining your engine by "wingin it"

Ym1401King · May 4, 2002

Thank you very much for you help. The dealer that I bought it from thought that a half a container was a good investment. He bought it from the investment stand point. I understand what EFC and Pepper had to say. But, I was wanting a tractor and this one fell into my lap in the right price range and was in really good shape. Has only 154 hours on it. Could be 1154, but not sure, since has only 3 digits on the counter. It is extremely clean. The little paddy lady did a good job of keeping it clean.....hehehe

Aric

hosejockey2002 · May 5, 2002

I've had two 1401Ds. One did not have the button, and to shut it off I had to pull the linkage to the injector pump back and it would shut off. I think it would have shut off with the thottle had it been adjusted correctly. My current 1401D has the shutoff button.

Ym1401King · May 8, 2002

Why have you had 2 1401's? I by the way, fixed all of the problems that I was having. Mine does not have the button BTW.

Aric /w3tcompact/icons/king.gif