steel mesh or fiber in concrete

   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #41  
Worked as a project manager for a commercial contractor a few years ago.

What I learned from this experience in regards to this subject.
1. Site prep. We had a sheepsfoot vibratory roller, do not recall its size at the moment, but we ran the bejeezus out of that machine. Compact the soil, throw on the big gravel, hit it again, throw on the smalls, hit it again but with the drum roller. If at any of these passes we found a bad spot, excavate and dump good fill in and restart the compaction. Boss's theory was that running the **** out of the machine would pay for itself when he did not have to repair concrete and get the rep for doing cheesy concrete.
2. Use modern admixtured concrete mixes. Talk to the concrete guys and figure out what mixture is the best for the project, entirely too many folks still say they want six sack when they need an entirely different set of properties.
3. 2-3"" cover over the wire mesh, run the bar about that far below the mesh, unless doing so would put the rebar too close to the bottom of the pad. If you are pouring 10+" of concrete run two sets of bar and one of mesh. IF you are pouring that thick for a need beyond heavy vehicle or wheeled equipment usage, get an engineer involved, it will save you $$ in the long run.
4. Cut as soon as you can work on the concrete. The guys that we used for our flat work would start the pour at 7am have the pour finished by noon and be cutting at the end of lunch. The longer you wait the more chances you have for a stress line developing where you do not want it.
5. We would use 4" for automobile trafficked areas, 6" for medium truck traffic (light delivery rigs etc) and 8" for semi-trucks driving, 12" for heavy trucks or semis doing a lot of turning. Use the right amount of steel in the right places on a properly prepped surface and that is all you really need.
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #42  
Worked as a project manager for a commercial contractor a few years ago.

What I learned from this experience in regards to this subject.
1. Site prep. We had a sheepsfoot vibratory roller, do not recall its size at the moment, but we ran the bejeezus out of that machine. Compact the soil, throw on the big gravel, hit it again, throw on the smalls, hit it again but with the drum roller. If at any of these passes we found a bad spot, excavate and dump good fill in and restart the compaction. Boss's theory was that running the **** out of the machine would pay for itself when he did not have to repair concrete and get the rep for doing cheesy concrete.
2. Use modern admixtured concrete mixes. Talk to the concrete guys and figure out what mixture is the best for the project, entirely too many folks still say they want six sack when they need an entirely different set of properties.
3. 2-3"" cover over the wire mesh, run the bar about that far below the mesh, unless doing so would put the rebar too close to the bottom of the pad. If you are pouring 10+" of concrete run two sets of bar and one of mesh. IF you are pouring that thick for a need beyond heavy vehicle or wheeled equipment usage, get an engineer involved, it will save you $$ in the long run.
4. Cut as soon as you can work on the concrete. The guys that we used for our flat work would start the pour at 7am have the pour finished by noon and be cutting at the end of lunch. The longer you wait the more chances you have for a stress line developing where you do not want it.
5. We would use 4" for automobile trafficked areas, 6" for medium truck traffic (light delivery rigs etc) and 8" for semi-trucks driving, 12" for heavy trucks or semis doing a lot of turning. Use the right amount of steel in the right places on a properly prepped surface and that is all you really need.

Very good advice. You have obviously put in a lot of good concrete.
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #43  
Very good advice. You have obviously put in a lot of good concrete.

We did our best. It would get interesting in negotiations with the customer, who in general had no concrete experience, beyond walking on it. "Why is it so much? My neighbor/uncle/sister/rabbit only paid half that much for their concrete driveway".

I had to learn to not spout off my initial response, which was "How long was it there before it cracked?" and to go into traffic, vehicle loads, etc. Eventually I got in the habit of scouting properties in the area and doing some home work on how they were done to show what good concrete looked like in 10-20-50 years and what bad looked like 3-5-10 years. Once folks saw what a huge difference there was, they tended to find something else to try and beat me up on ;)
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #44  
I've poured more yards of concrete than posts on this site. Use fibermesh for you driveway @ 6".
Cut it in the right spots and it will last forever
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #45  
I guess I am old fashioned to think steel rebar is stronger than fiber mesh. All the bridges and commercial construction that I have seen have rebar and not fiber mesh. For me I want some concrete with some steel in it under my feet. Not concrete with some fur in it.
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #46  
I guess I am old fashioned to think steel rebar is stronger than fiber mesh. All the bridges and commercial construction that I have seen have rebar and not fiber mesh. For me I want some concrete with some steel in it under my feet. Not concrete with some fur in it.

That's why I go with BOTH and lots of prep work. ;)
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #47  
I've poured more yards of concrete than posts on this site. Use fibermesh for you driveway @ 6".
Cut it in the right spots and it will last forever

Piperflyer,
I don't want to belittle your experience, but we were pouring more than a hundred yards in a single pour, and we usually had 3 pours going in one day, while 3 others poured the next day and we stripped out/set up the other. Steam curing overnight. I would tend to estimate my experience in the 10's of thousand yard pours. Two guys and myself did the quality control work on Interstate spur 110 going down into Pensacola. A lot of it is above ground, 7 to 10 beams wide, 100 foot long beams. A lot of concrete... and that is just one job of many.
David from jax
 
   / steel mesh or fiber in concrete #48  
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