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#51  
I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing with you. I'm not. Honest. :)

not arguing.. it's just that i'm not referring to sending in newbies to whitewater to do rescue.. but yet that keeps becomming the 'why' part of the statement of why kayaks aren't good for rescue.
 
   / Storm tracker thread #52  
My canoe floats when swamped. Two people can sit in it, and even if its full of water, there's still about 2" of side sticking out of the water. You can splash the water out with your hands or paddle and get most of it out enough to make it easy to paddle to shore. That's one of the first things the taught us in boating safety class.... how to right a swamped canoe in deep water.
 
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Another thread going off track and turning into a pi**ing war.
 
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canoe's have never impressed me. seems just like a way to get alot of gear in the water floating near you.

A good friend, who was a canoeist once told me a C1'r is half the paddle but twice the man. If you ever saw him run big splat, would be hard to argue with him.

I was pretty good in a kayak, not so good in a canoe:laughing:
 
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My canoe floats when swamped. Two people can sit in it, and even if its full of water, there's still about 2" of side sticking out of the water. You can splash the water out with your hands or paddle and get most of it out enough to make it easy to paddle to shore. That's one of the first things the taught us in boating safety class.... how to right a swamped canoe in deep water.

That's good, your canoe may have foamed inner seat blocks. I wish more did. I know many don't, or didn't.. Can't tell you how many sunk aluminum John boats and canoe I have helped people pull from the bottom however. I have permanently setup a tie up point on a jb at my stepfathers house.. Straight aluminum hull..once it swamps, it's like a submarine.. " Dive, Dive Dive! " :)

Having a self buoyant craft is a huge safety plus.
 
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Another thread going off track and turning into a pi**ing war.

Discussion on water rescue is not going off track on a storm tracking thread.

Whining about a thread going in a direction you don't like, and claiming it is off topic, when in reality it isn't, however might be off topic if you think about it though...

So in a way.. Your post was self fulfilling. ;)
 
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Discussion on water rescue is not going off track on a storm tracking thread.

Whining about a thread going in a direction you don't like, and claiming it is off topic, when in reality it isn't, however might be off topic if you think about it though...

So in a way.. Your post was self fulfilling. ;)
Actually you have taken a thread about a storm and turned it into a thread about how great you are and how people everyone else is stupid for using caution in high water. Your arrogance would cause people to think that it is safe to go off have cocked in dangerous flood waters risking lives of First Responders to come pull you out of the water. I know someone that was a first responder who died trying to rescue someone who thought it would be great to ride the rapids in raging floodwaters.
 
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Sorry about the loss of life. One of the first things they teach you in water safety courses, lifesaving classes, whitewater rescue, is do not attempt a rescue if you think you can't make it. It's harsh. But it's true. I've had several instances of huge, body-builder type guys losing their footing in calm lake water and just absolutely start thrashing around in a blind panic. No way was I gonna try and run up and grab them. I had to wait till they tuckered themselves out. People were screaming at me to save them. No way. They'd have killed me too. My father attempted a rescue in Lake Michigan surf back in the 30's. The guy almost killed him. The guy and my father both had to be rescued.

I saw a guy throw a rope to a girl that got tossed out of a rubber raft. She had a life vest on. She wrapped the rope around herself and tied it in a knot. The current was strong. The guy on the other end of the rope was having trouble holding on, so he clipped the rope to a post. Well, the girl lost her grip on whatever she was holding, the current pulled her downstream, the rope went taught, and now the water starts rushing over the girl pushing her under. She'd bob up and scream. The current would push her under. Bob up and scream, get pushed under again. No one could pull that rope to get it unclipped and she couldn't untie it. My supervisors quickly assessed the situation, ran upstream, dove in, maneuvered over near her and as he passed her, he cut the rope with his knife, freeing her. They floated downstream and we picked them up with the Zodiac boat. She was seconds from death. The guy that threw her the rope never should have had her tie it around her, and he never should have tied it to a post. Despite being trained to never tie off a rope, he tied off a rope. He knew better, but did it anyway. That's how even trained professionals die or cause death when they, for whatever reason, don't follow their training. A dead rescuer is of no use to a victim. It's noble. It's horrible. But sometimes you just have to stop and watch the horror unfold and live with the consequences. It's awful.
 
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Actually you have taken a thread about a storm and turned it into a thread about how great you are and how people everyone else is stupid for using caution in high water. Your arrogance would cause people to think that it is safe to go off have cocked in dangerous flood waters risking lives of First Responders to come pull you out of the water. I know someone that was a first responder who died trying to rescue someone who thought it would be great to ride the rapids in raging floodwaters.

You are reading something into my posts that isn't there. Sounds like some grief and anger issues. Sorry you lost someone.
 

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