Stroage Building

[Woody65]

Had a break in weather and found time to get started on this again. Have the 2x12 ledgers up around the outside. All notched in. Some corner bracing in to keep the top somewhat square. And started to place the joist hangers. Although not particularly happy with the way they are turning out. Couldn't get them even and the little tabs that I thought were to hold it in place till you could get a nail out of your apron don't hold. Was trying to use a small block to set the size and position. Was hoping Eddie was still around. What am I doing wrong? Would I be better off nailing the joist up from the outside then going back and installing the hangers?

We usually install the joist hangers to the ledgers while they are on the sawhorses. A lot easier to get them squared and level. Put them on and then hang the ledgers. You just have to measure twice so that they wind up in the right location. If you have the ledgers already installed, I would nail the joists up by through nailing them and go back with the hangers and put them on after. Good luck.

 

[farmer2009]

We usually install the joist hangers to the ledgers while they are on the sawhorses. A lot easier to get them squared and level. Put them on and then hang the ledgers. You just have to measure twice so that they wind up in the right location. If you have the ledgers already installed, I would nail the joists up by through nailing them and go back with the hangers and put them on after. Good luck.

Thanks. That's what I was afraid of after having so much trouble with the two I managed to do. Still not sure they won't have to come down.

I'm not experienced enough to go adding things like that on the saw horses. I would wind up redoing them in the air as I would forget to account for something.

 

[Woody65]

If you want to attach them while they are up, you can mark your joist spacing (16 oc, 12 oc, 24oc ) with a square and snap a line across the ledger at the joists bottom mark. Then you can individually install the hangers by lining up the hanger with the plumb and horizontal lines. Only nail in one side and then take a small block, the size of the joist, snug up the other side and nail. Good luck

 

[Scooter78]

Eddie is still around and I am sure he would be able to give you a few pointers.

 

[EddieWalker]

I install the joists first with a couple nails either tow nailed or into the end grain to get them in place just how I want them. Then I come back and install the joist hangers. Right now my wife does that. It's easy and she enjoys doing it.

Eddie

 

[farmer2009]

Thanks guys. My fear of placing the joist first then adding hangers has come true. I was hoping to use the hangers to hold them 10 feet in the air so I could do this by my self. Guess I will be adding some helpers underneath the joist. Even if temporary.

 

[EddieWalker]

You can also cut a 2x6 to length and stand it up under the beam so part of it sticks out enough to hold up that end of joist as you attach the other end. Sort of like a temporary post that you just move over for every joist. Nothing to nail or screw in and it's both easy and fast.

Eddie

 

[farmer2009]

Thanks for the suggestions Eddie. I was thinking of adding a 2x6 header under the joist on the inside of the post. It would be something that I could leave or take back down. I also thought of going a head with the walls. Then sit joist on them. But I will give your suggestions a try and see how they work for me. Maybe a while as its spitting snow currently.

 

[bindian]

I put one joist hangar up, then nail the other end's joist hangar onto the joist. I then sit the joist up on the secure hangar, then climb the ladder with the other end and put the joist in position, square it quickly, then put a screw or two in with a cordless screw gun in to hold it. Then I come back and nail it in place.
hugs, Brandi

 

[s219]

Like a few mentioned, I do a temporary nailing and then come back later and put the hangers on. Also a good job for a gopher if you have one around.

 

[tractorshopper]

Farmer, I do what you're suggesting. I put up 2X4 ledger boards on the inside of the post horizontally at each end of the joist. Then when you cut your joists, you can let it rest on the ledger boards at each end and toe nail or end nail them. You can then either leave them sitting on your ledger boards or remove the ledger boards and put up joist hangars depending on your desire and codes.

 

[tractorshopper]

I should add that I like to end nail the joists with 3 16P nails.

 

[ETpilot]

Farmer, like you, the holidays n weather has kept me off my building. By Thanksgiving, I manged to get the walls up, put in some 4x8 corner bracing and get the trusses up. And there the project stayed until yesterday. I started again. All my rain has caused a little mildew to build so I am spraying as I go to kill it. I installed the ladder framing for the front overhang, just a 12" overhang. I need to do the back then add the 2x4 pieces and I will be ready for the plywood roof. Working alone is slow but slowly moving on.

 

[farmer2009]

ETpilot do you have a thread of your build.

 

[ETpilot]

Farmer, no I do not have a build thread. Just to many projects going on to keep up with a build thread. Here are a couple of pictures. The first is just after I finished installing the roof trusses. Since that picture was taken I have straightened and braced the trusses, added the 4x8 corner bracing which you can see in the second picture.

The second picture shows two of my helpers. One is my tractor with FEL with forks. I could not have done this project, myself, with out it. Two is my portable scaffold. This allows me to work safely topside. It is on wheels and has ropes at each end. I can move back and forth along the wall. Depending on how it sets on the ground, I may tie off to the wall. I use the tractor to move it from wall to wall.

 

[farmer2009]

Et. What are the dimensions of your building? Looks good.

 

[ETpilot]

It is 20x20x10. I am hoping to start the roof next week. I have to let a couple of rain days pass by.

 

[Hammer Head]

Anyone out there in a cold climate thinking of building an insulated garage or shed? You may want to look at a product called Ray-Core. They make a structural insulated wall panel that was so easy to use for a DIY project.
I built a 24x36 detached garage with these panels. I pull the tractor in with 5 degree temps outside and the snow melts off the tractor. No heat in the garage, just the warm ground radiating up through the slab. I have never had anything freeze in my garage with temps down to -15.

 

[farmer2009]

Got started putting up the floor joists. I was surprised by how much this thing has moved over the winter. We are having to pull and spread just to get things straight. The joist are up at the post. Going to try to finish them tomorrow. Maybe they will go up faster.

 

[farmer2009]

All floor joist are in and joists hangers are installed. Did start on blocking the joists today. Have about a half a row done. I do have a question for you guys. How many rows of blocking would you put in? It's a 16 foot clear span with 2x12's. My original plans was for 3 rows. But after just installing part of the center row I was surprised at how stiff it became.

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