Sub soiler for compact

[jenkinsph]

Would somebody mind posting what the tooth angle and what the shank dimentions are on a (single purpose) sub-soiler?

Thanks.


(Just got a welder and looking for a project to practice on).

If I was going to take the time to build one it would be a parabolic point similar to the large ripper plows. As I see it these are easier to pull compared to the simple straight shank models. Look up vee ripper plows to get some ideas. I made one years ago and pulled it with my 4020.


Steve

 

[froggy]

Take a look at this web site for subsoilers:

Everything Attachments - Skid Steer Attachments, Tractor Attachments, 3 Point Hitch Attachments

 

[pnwradar]

I found a used Fred Cain subsoiler locally, same one EverythingAttachments sells, to try to improve winter draining in my wet lower pasture. I ran it 18" deep through peaty unbroken sod-covered soil -- no rocks or stumps, just layers of hardpan from 3 decades of horses and steers. Several times my 40hp NH (hydro) was stopped cold, never worrying the shear bolt. With loaded ag tires I had plenty of traction, just not enough grunt. Raising the depth a half-foot got me going again, but at 12" I didn't get as much vertical movement of soil. Sometimes I rolled really large (2' dia) sod clumps, probably because my reed canarygrass has very dense rhizome clusters, which I'm certain also contributed to the difficulty plowing deep. Hopefully it gets easier after the first year.

 

[Welshman]

Not that you would necessarily want to do this - but a second pass (or multiple passes) might solve this - right?
And you apparently didn't have any 3ph lift issues - raising it up high enough for transport?

 

[bp fick]

Good point. Since I've never operated one of these, my question is how "vertical" do you operate them? I assumed looking at it that the "main spar" would be set at some (??)significant angle to the ground surface, which would "use up" some of that 25". TSC lists these as "12" maximum ripping depth". Am I thinking right or not?

I have the XB Middle Buster/Sub soiler. With 12" plow blade on, I can send it 8-10 inches deep without trying. Without the plow blade and just the sub soiler, 12 inches is a cinch.

On the Angle. If you tilt it with the top link shortened a bit, it drives down so deep, so fast, it can stop the tractor and put the wheels into a spin cycle. When it is perpendicular to the ground, 90 degrees, the action is still very, very deep, but smoother, as you would expect.

I cannot speak to lengthening the top link past vertical but it would seem that this angle would not allow the implement to seek its way deep and would defeat the entire purpose as it would always seek to rise toward the surface.

Here's a pic of the top of the shaft pulled toward the tractor. This angle is the "let's go deep" angle, but also hardest to pull through the soil. Hope this helps.

That ground was virgin sod.

 

[Welshman]

bp fick:
That unit looks very similar to the CountyLine combo. How long is the shank - measured from the cross-bar?
What is your soil like, under that sod?
Thanks.

 

[bp fick]

Tarter Gate likely makes all these XB sized units, whether they are branded Farm Force, County Line, Northern Tool, King Kutter, etc. Just a guess, but to my eye, they all look identical.

Anyhow, the distance from the cross bar to the subsoiler is about 15"

The soil here is a sandy loam. No clay.
Best Wishes

 

[Welshman]

Would somebody mind posting what the tooth angle and what the shank dimentions are on a (single purpose) sub-soiler?

Thanks.


(Just got a welder and looking for a project to practice on).

Well, I went to look at and measure them today - I didn't take a protractor, but the angle looks really close to a 45. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there are two "identical" units (same stock #) at my local store. One has a shank about 1" thick - the other is about 3/4" thick. The shanks vary in length from 21 1/4" to 23 1/2" from the cross bar.

 

[Welshman]

Tarter Gate likely makes all these XB sized units, whether they are branded Farm Force, County Line, Northern Tool, King Kutter, etc. Just a guess, but to my eye, they all look identical.

Anyhow, the distance from the cross bar to the subsoiler is about 15"

The soil here is a sandy loam. No clay.
Best Wishes

Thanks for the info. My soil is a mixture of dense clay, and more dense clay. I'm going to check the lift height of my tractor tomorrow, and see what it will handle.

 

[jnjpream]

Thanks Welshman.