Surveyors

   / Surveyors #21  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( it was comical to see the antics that the surveyor was going through to 'find' the section line )</font>

There is a reason for this. The old section surveys were rife with errors, some worse than others. In its wisdom, the law was written that, to avoid future adjustments, the correct section corner was where it was actually monumented, even if it was tens of feet from its mathematical position. So when using a section corner as a reference, it is important to find the actual, physical corner, not calculate where it oughta be.

I've seen all kinds of errors in surveys, particularly historic ones. They were done with cruder instruments than we have today, and calculated by hand. One of the most common old errors is the dropped chain. The actual length would be a chain (66 feet) or more rarely a hundred feet longer than recorded. The chainman simply screwed up the count.

The computer has eliminated most of the math errors, and achieving a good closure is a check on the accuracy of a survey.

But beyond that, it becomes an issue of finding and accommodating the original errors. Depending on the situation, they must be corrected or incorporated into your survey. My former property had a bad corner. The length of the block did not equal the sum of the individual lots. The error had to be distributed between the various lots. It caused an off and on again four-inch argument with various neighbors, and resulted in a maze of cross-cuts in the sidewalk where various surveyors interpreted the corner location.
 
   / Surveyors #22  
Remember ruling pens? They are a tweezer like device that holds the ink between the blades with a mixture of surface tension and luck. On a long line, often the ink or the luck runs out.
 
   / Surveyors #23  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( each lot, differs from the survey. )</font>

Perhaps the County has a Geographic Information System (GIS) that is used, among other things, to compute the taxes. In doing those, they start with a geometric base, often the State Plane Coordinate benchmark system, which is surveyed but was not ever designed for Land Surveys, and rubber sheet all the other mapping to that. Since nothing ever matches, there's a lot of pulling and tugging required to get the rubber sheet maps to line up. Hence the discrepancies in area.
 
   / Surveyors #24  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Deed descriptions go to the middle of the road and the county, state, etc. have an X foot right of way on either side. )</font>

It depends. I've seen it both ways, even with a single job.

The "ownership" of the road right of way varies from county to county and within various counties and even varies within municipalities. It depends on how the land was platted. You really need to look at your deed to tell.
 
   / Surveyors #25  
<font color="blue"> It depends. I've seen it both ways, even with a single job.</font>
You're right. I should have qualified what I said by adding that in all the jobs we (my FIL and I) worked on, the property lines went to the center line of the road. As you noted, it's best to check the deed.
 
   / Surveyors #26  
You bet. Think I can still find the old drafting set. Geting that ink under the plastic set square was real fun to clean up.

Lordy me; I just can't be old enought to have used that stuff.

Egon /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Surveyors #27  
Ah-- the vagracies of old surveys is always interesting.

Dropped chain -- then theres the fellow who misscounted the number of times the buggy wheel went around.

Wonder what comments our future generations will make on what we think of as cutting edge tecknology.

Egon
 
   / Surveyors #28  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Dropped chain -- then theres the fellow who misscounted the number of times the buggy wheel went around. )</font>

That's 'cause he was taking a pull from the jug when the rag tied to the spoke went by.
 
   / Surveyors #29  
A little off the post but I have a queston.I have a irregular shaped lot of 14 arcres ,with 1500 feet of road frontage(road curves).Found rebar for rd frontage ,but cannot locate rear markings.Even with survey i just dont were the property ends,on paper it ends 500 ft out from the road.
Problem is the lot is slopping forrest,cant use wheel the terrains too rough,tried a long spolled tape measure but cant keep a strait line with the trees.A friend tried a magellan sporttrak gps(could not get a small enough scale)but we have no gps expierence.Any Ideas ?
 
   / Surveyors #30  
My property was originally sold as north of road x, west of road y. Therefore it doesn't go to the center of any road. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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