Swimming Pool Suggestions

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Eddie MY pool did not effect my insurance but that is different from what you are trying to do. I did see an example of the 4 ft rule last summer. We stayed at a very high class hotel in Napa Valley while my wife was buying a friesian and they had a very large pool with all kinds of water feateres ect but the it was not over 4 ft deep in any part. That was the first time I had seen that.
 
   / Swimming Pool Suggestions #12  
Kerosenedrvr, To me the pool was fairly painless. We did have some dissagrements with the pool company. But the hard stuff was meeting the state and county safety requirements. You want to be sure that you know what they are and who is responsible for meeting them you or the pool company. Some examples. Here you must have a 5ft high non climable fence with no more than 4 in spacing on the bars. all gates must be auto closing with latches over 54 in tall. If there are any children under 13 you must have a fence between the house and pool. If no children and you sign an affidavit to the fact then you can use the house doors as barriers but the door handles must be 54 inches high and you must have auto closeres on all doors. I must admit that I changed my doors for the inspection but changed them back afterwards 54 in high door handles an self closing doors just don't work for me. Plus there is not anyone under the age of 30 within 15 miles of me.
 
   / Swimming Pool Suggestions #13  
I had a pool (18x36) inground installed about 5 yrs ago (I guess).I had to pay so much $ once the hole was dug & the rest of the $ when finished.It cost $18,500 for the pool ,slide, polaris & booster pump , safety cover with a pump to pump off rain water, steps, light, ladder,dive board concrete 10' on 1 end 8' on 1 end 8' on the sides . Mine is a plastic wall pool which he said cost a little more than steel wall pools .I had no problems with the contractor at all & he did a great job. He & his sons did all the work them selves. I talked to several pool companies that contracted out all the work, all they did was over see the job. I think hiring the guy & his sons & them doing all the work is what made all go smooth. I must say, that the polaris cleaner has made a big difference in taking care of the cleaning chores.I purchase most of my chemicles in bulk at sams club.
 
   / Swimming Pool Suggestions #14  
BTDT said:
Find someone (home owner) in the area with a pool, and ask them who they used and how they like the workmanship.

I think this is the best advice given so far (not that the other replies weren't helpful). We had a pool at our previous home. We picked our installer based on 2 elements- (1) he installed pools for 2 neighbors and they were impressed with the timeliness and quality of the installation, and (2) price was reasonable.

Where we erred was in not checking with clients who had pools installed many months or a year or 2 previously. Our neighbors had just had their pools done right before we started ours, so they had no knowlege of how the installer handled problems after the sale. This proved to be our biggest problem. We had difficulties getting the guy back to fix problems. Big headache.

Little things are going to pop up and this is probably true for all installations. I think my biggest complaint was with the quality of the concrete work. First, I don't think the soil was given sufficient time to settle and compact. I take the blame for this as I was looking for an installer who could get the pool done in the shortest period of time. also, I didn't know he didn't use rebar or wire reinforcement in the concrete. He convinced me that the fiberglass impregated concrete was strong enough that metal reinforcement was not needed. We had problems with cracking soon after the pool was completed. We also has surface voids appear due to little clumps of soil that had migrated to the surface during the pour. An egg-shell thin layer of the concrete covered the soil clumps during the finishing (we had a stamped surface). With foot traffic, the thin areas broke, leaving little dirt-filled defects in the surface. Not a huge problem, but certainly an esthetic one.

In 4 years, we had our Polaris pump replaced twice and our main pump replaced once. I don't think this is typical, but did happen to us and certainly added to the expense. Our gas bill was outrageous when we heated the pool so we certainly cut back on heating once we learned about this.

The best decision we made was having a salt chloination system put in. The benefits of this are (1) reduced chemical cost - uses water softener salt (cheap) (2) no storage / handling of caustic chlorine, (3) the water is more pleasant to swim in (no chlorine smell, less eye irritation, easy on the skin) and (4) it is almost maintenance-free as the thing runs automatically. The up front cost of the salt chlorination system is about $1K, but in my opinion is worth the investment.

You will never recoup the money you spend on the pool when you sell the house. And, it eliminates a large number of potential buyers who have no interest in having the expense / headaches of a pool.

To me, the real benefits of pool ownership is it is a magnet for your children's friends. I like knowing where my kids are and I'm most comfortable when they are home. I would much rather my kids be at home with their friends at our house than vice versa as I know what kind of supervision they are receiving here. As they get older (teenage), I think this is even more important. Other than that, as has been said, pools are a huge money pit.

Thinking back on how our pool was used, I would definately recommend an integrated spa - all the kids eventually migrated to the spa after playing and it proved to be a popular place for the parents. We also had a diving board and a slide. While these 2 items have the highest risk for injury, in our case, they were also heavily used by the kids. With close supervision and a few rules, these 2 add ons can provide a lot of fun safely.

If I had the budget to design what I would call the ultimate pool, it would be designed to incorporate a large, shallow area that could be set up for pool volley ball, it would have a long, straight section for swimming laps, there would be a deep end for the slide and diving board (or maybe a diving rock) and it would have the aforementioned spa. Add a large concrete pool deck with outdoor kitchen, plenty of chairs / tables for outdoor eating and a bath house with restroom to keep the wey kids from going inside to do their business and you would have the perfect set-up. Of course, this is probably a $150K project so we won't have one like this. But, for thos who can....

Good luck with your pool.
 
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Absolutely excellent advice....I greatly appreciate the info.....I have another question on the same subject. When the pool is finished the county assessor comes out. Does he add the assessed value of the pool to your existing assessment, OR does the whole place get reassessed? I built my house about 5 years ago before the values skyrocketed and hate the thought of the taxman raking me over the coals....Thanks again.
 
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#16  
By the way....I have three young sons age 12, 10, and 8....I have a beautiful wife who had 6 vertebrae fused about 9 months ago....I think they will wear out the pool in no time flat.
 
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I failed to mention that your water access is crucial when filling and maintaining the pool. I'm on a well, and have to treat differently than if it were on a municipal system. Moreover, I trucked the water in for the initial fill.
 
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[It's really scary and I'm seriously thinking about hiring out the subs and doing it myself.]

That's what I did back in 1990. I talked to 2 contractors that said that it would be over 40k for what I wanted. Pool that looks like a pond with remote small pond with stream beds flowing into the main pool. Well that was to much $$$ for me. I dug the hole myself, hired subs myself, put in the small pond & stream beds myself. Less than 14k. I have never to this date been sorry that I put this pool in. Yes there are years that I only go in a few times, and others, like last year for example that I went in 50-60 times. The wife always uses it on a regular basis. But I would have it even if I never went in, it just looks good and is a nice part of our landscaping.

My only advice is to research everything and do it right the first time. There are to many things that can be done wrong, and it would be no fun to correct.

Good luck:)
 
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KEROSENEDRVR said:
By the way....I have three young sons age 12, 10, and 8....I have a beautiful wife who had 6 vertebrae fused about 9 months ago....I think they will wear out the pool in no time flat.

You have many years of active pool use with three boys! If they are like our boys (we put our pool in when they were 4 years old (twins) and our daughter was 8.) They would start using the pool when the water was in the fifties.

Back then I would open the pool in May and it would stay open until October. All of their friends wanted to come to our house as we had the pool. You have to be there to watch them instruct new comers to the rules of the pool use and they will all have a great time.

When they got older it was even hard (boys will be boys) Diving, doing flips everything dangerous, we certainly put our foot down to most of it. I would be careful about adding a slide to the pool. There is always the chance of someone falling off from the top of the slide onto the concrete.

Concrete problems: We had the same problem here, mainly on the far side of the pool as they only put a 36 inches wide pad. It sunk about two inches and had to be broken up and I did the cement work myself.

You might not have the same problems we do with closing the pool for the winter months. Just pumping out 10 or 12 thousand gallons of water takes a bit of time. I have a spring that we use to top off and fill the pool. Being on a farm we have a few barn surface wells. Around here they get around $400 a tanker load for pool water. I make sure the pipes are properly drained, blown out and go the extra yard by adding RV antifreeze to the lines. It is pretty cheap insurance.

Someone mentioned location of the filter system. It is good to put it where you don’t have to hear the pump and also a place where you can back drain the filter system, if required. I built a pad for the filter and heater then dug a trench to the backside of the yard to run off the backwash water.
 
   / Swimming Pool Suggestions #20  
I just saw this thread and thought I may be of some help. I sold and installed pools for 20 years and my son took over and has been at it for 7 years now. I think one of the most important things is to buy a pool from the guy that will install it. Around here in NC we have several companies who sell pools and sub out the installation. I wouldn't touch them with a 10' pole. When you talk to the pool seller see if the person you talk to is giong to be the person who installs it. The owner/operator of any business has a more vested interest in performing a good job than any subcontractor.
Talk to as many pool owners in the area as you can and see what sanitizing agents they use and the cost involved. Different areas use different sanitizers and what I may recomend from here may not be the best for you in your area.
Check with your insurance company. It doesn't make your insurasnce go up here but you may want to increase your coverage. It costs very little to increase your coverage by 100%, but in other areas of the country it is different.
The most important thing to me is to feel comfortable with the people you do business with. Develop a rapport with them, make them your pal.
Read all the fine print and don't sign anything you don't feel comfortable with, and don't buy a " special " A guy I know biught a pool form one of the TV adds, they told him he was getting a huge discount because they wanted to use it in a TV add. He paid 6,000.00 more than I sold the same pool for.
Find a local company , they are out there you just havn't heard about them, they probably don't advertise cause they have enough work, talk to them, listen to them, let them know of any concerns, make sure you are confident with them before you do anything, and you will end up with a pool that you and the family will enjoy for years. And, keep in mind, you will know where your kids are. They and most of their freinds will be at your house, much better that most places they could be. Later, Nat
 

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